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Old 07-18-2005, 01:05 AM
PoBoy321 PoBoy321 is offline
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Default Tough spot pre-flop with QQ

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

UTG+1 ($49.50)
UTG+2 ($46.80)
MP1 ($45.25)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($48.75)
CO ($26.45)
Button ($19.15)
SB ($39.50)
BB ($49.50)
Hero ($58.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB calls $2.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>


Hmmm... the HH screwed up. MP2 pushed for $10 and the SB called, so the action was back on me.

I had no reads on the SB in this hand. I figured that the short stack likely had a mid-pair or a decent ace, but SB's call of an EP raiser and a MP pusher had me worried.

Your move?
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:07 AM
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Call.
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:08 AM
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Default Re: Tough spot pre-flop with QQ

And when the flop comes 8 high and SB bets into me? What range of hands do you put villain on that I shouldn't be pushing here?
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:21 AM
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push. if he has AA/KK this pot is going to be big on the flop and you're going to have a tough time folding anyway. he likely has AK, which you don't want seeing the flop.
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Old 07-18-2005, 06:18 AM
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push. if he has AA/KK this pot is going to be big on the flop and you're going to have a tough time folding anyway. he likely has AK, which you don't want seeing the flop.

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Yeah, I don't like this that much because SB probably still calls that with AK (the pot will be laying him 2:1). I prefer calling and getting aggressive on a flop without an A or K (and not letting SB see all five cards). Anyone agree?
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:41 AM
98romaine 98romaine is offline
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call and see a flop.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Tough spot pre-flop with QQ

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push. if he has AA/KK this pot is going to be big on the flop and you're going to have a tough time folding anyway. he likely has AK, which you don't want seeing the flop.

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You want SB to call with AK, you are winning. The reasons not push are if SB has AA or KK. I think this is a push, because I think there is a decent chance SB has AK, JJ, 1010. If he has AA or KK I think you have to pay him off. I don't think you are getting away from the hand anyway if undercards hit, so push.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:23 PM
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push. if he has AA/KK this pot is going to be big on the flop and you're going to have a tough time folding anyway. he likely has AK, which you don't want seeing the flop.

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You want SB to call with AK, you are winning.

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i know. SB will call with AK 90% of the time when you push. i meant you don't want him seeing the flop when he still has money on the table.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:32 PM
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If you call, AA/KK gets your stack on a low flop anyway, so either raise or fold (hint raise).
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:40 PM
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i know. SB will call with AK 90% of the time when you push. i meant you don't want him seeing the flop when he still has money on the table.

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He'll call the all in Now but with out the A or K on the flop ( or straight) he will fold when you bet out against him.
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