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Old 07-28-2005, 07:09 PM
smurfitup smurfitup is offline
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Default learning to lay down hands: hand #1

my biggest leak is not letting go of marginal/good hands when heads-up on the turn or river... i've been trying to resolve the problem, so tell me what you think of this

20-40 at hollywood park..

3 limpers, i raise KJc on button. Sb reraises. all the limpers call. I call.

Read on sb is that he totally overvalues his pocketpairs. He had raised utg w/ 22, and in another hand he reraised my utg raise w/ 44, raised my bet on a 976 flop and bet the whole way (i had tt).

anyways, the flop is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]k [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

sb checks. and they all check to me. i bet. sb calls. the rest fold.

turn is k [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb checks. i bet. he raises. at this point, i'm almost postive he flopped a set. i call w/ odds to fill up.

river is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he bets, i show a king and fold... he shows a 3.

weak fold? saved a bet? i'm a moron?
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

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my biggest leak is not letting go of marginal/good hands when heads-up on the turn or river

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I really really doubt this.

You know you're getting 14:1 on the river right? He has trip kings beat more than 14/15 times? No [censored] way.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

you're a moron.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

Getting only 14 to 1 for this call on the river I think you have to fold it. There's no way you're good often enough to spew the extra $40. Well played.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:19 PM
smurfitup smurfitup is offline
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

to those calling me a moron or what not.. given my read on villain, i'm really curious what range of hands you put him on when he check-raises the turn.. kt? qq?
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

So you folded for 1 bet on the river with trips in a big pot to a LAG? Oops.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

The first step is letting go of your ego at the table. Your ego causes you to reveal your hand so you can show the table/opponent "I'm smart, I want to prove to a stranger that I'm smart and I can lay down a hand." That's the only reason to show because it certainly can't be to make your opponents now play worse against you. It encourages opponents to bluff more and that's generally not a good thing.

Otherwise, we can't really comment on the laydown. You made a read and went with it. Even if you were wrong kudos on sticking to your read and not chickening out on the river. Now, here's hoping you are a good hand reader!
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:24 PM
smurfitup smurfitup is offline
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

tongni,
read on villain isn't that he's a LAG, it's that he overplays his pocket pairs. if he was a LAG, i'd have called him down w/o hesitation.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

Well you say he loves pocket pairs, so how about 22-QQ? Additionally, since you've described him as relatively laggy at least, any piece of the board and several AX hands are possible as well. He was afraid of your K on the flop, now thinks it's less likely you hold a K when the 2nd hits and thinks he has a chance to blow you off your hand on the turn.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: learning to lay down hands: hand #1

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He had raised utg w/ 22, and in another hand he reraised my utg raise w/ 44, raised my bet on a 976 flop and bet the whole way (i had tt).

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So why can't he have anything other than a set in this hand?
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