Fold this overpair on 3suited board?

veganmav · #1 07-14-2005, 01:46 PM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, Button raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Button calls.

River: (9.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Button bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As Js (one pair, jacks).
Button has 4c 4d (one pair, fours).
Outcome: BB wins 11.70 BB. 

The button had just joined, and the BB is usualy tight/aggro.

Lookin back at this, I feel that i should have called down if no clubs hit, I just didn't like the idea of it maybe getting capped behind me and both these players showing aggression.

Are you folding this?
calling down?
Is anyone capping?

sy_or_bust · #2 07-14-2005, 02:35 PM

Come on, you didn't actually fold, did you?

If you did...you should've capped, although calling works better if BB will lead into you on a blank turn. I won't give credit for a better hand without seeing BB 3-bet me on the turn.

clownshoes · #3 07-14-2005, 02:38 PM

No good
I call the flop then raise/lead any non club turn and continue betting afterwards
Theres just too great a chance that they are raising with a single high club to drop your overpair on this flop

Also, dont post results

krimson · #4 07-14-2005, 02:41 PM

I would cap the flop, chances of someone having a flush are slim. Slow down to more resistance on the turn, and consider folding to another club.

Don't post results, they will sway answers.

veganmav · #5 07-14-2005, 09:03 PM

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Ok, I won't, but why shouldn't I? Just wondering

Paxosmotic · #6 07-14-2005, 09:15 PM

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Ok, I won't, but why shouldn't I? Just wondering

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Because we all know the correct play in this hand was to cap every street since your Kings were going to hold up against their Jacks.

veganmav · #7 07-15-2005, 04:03 AM

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Ok, I won't, but why shouldn't I? Just wondering

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Because we all know the correct play in this hand was to cap every street since your Kings were going to hold up against their Jacks.

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Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm relatively new to posting in the forum, and from now on I'll try not to be so weak-tight [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ryan11 · #8 07-15-2005, 12:08 PM

Cap flop
Lead/Raise not club turn

I'm tempted to check call the river since any T now beats you, this is prolly to weak tho.

chief444 · #9 07-15-2005, 12:21 PM

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Because everyone sees that you folded the best hand and says the fold was bad. I don't think it was a bad fold though. A TAG BB check/3-betting is somewhat suspicious but you're going to get drawn out on a lot of the times you are ahead anyway.

flair1239 · #10 07-15-2005, 12:44 PM

Since we are being results oriented... this is interesting:

pokenum -h as js - kh ks - 4c 4d -- jc 8c 3c
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing Jc 8c 3c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Js 118 13.07 785 86.93 0 0.00 0.131
Ks Kh 393 43.52 510 56.48 0 0.00 0.435
4c 4d 392 43.41 511 56.59 0 0.00 0.434