Flopped Trips on UB 200

octop · #1 07-12-2005, 06:30 PM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

UTG ($114.15)
UTG+1 ($70.90)
UTG+2 ($138)
MP1 ($50.60)
MP2 ($457)
MP3 ($202.85)
CO ($226.75)
Button ($25)
SB ($265.15)
Hero ($200)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 3 folds, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button folds, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($70) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $45, SB calls $45.

River: ($160) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $160
Hero?

amoeba · #2 07-12-2005, 06:33 PM

gonna need reads but I say he has fullhouse or is bluffing a missed flush draw.

if I feel he is incapable of a bluff on a missed draw, I fold here.

preflop, I like a raise to $12.

octop · #3 07-12-2005, 06:40 PM

I have no reads at all literlerly my first hand at the table
I was in the BB and don't like raising AJ o out of position

Ghazban · #4 07-12-2005, 06:42 PM

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preflop, I like a raise to $12.

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I never do this with AJo in the blinds at a full table-- what do you do if you're called, the flop comes A-high and you get action (to simplify, lets say the flop is relatively drawless, too)? You're out of position and might be severly dominated (AQ is a hand that often limps, but will call a raise). I know its a general question, but I don't like playing big pots out of position with a hand like this.

Ghazban · #5 07-12-2005, 06:44 PM

Tough spot; I don't know the game on UB well enough to comment on what an average unknown might do here. As amoeba said, it looks like either a boat or a missed draw. I probably call and puke when he flips over A5.

amoeba · #6 07-12-2005, 06:48 PM

by raising preflop out of the blinds, I represent a very strong hand.

Yes I will be out of position for the hand but I won't be out of position against multiple players.

if played at on the flop, I can decide on the flop whether I'm best or not. Its obvious what hand I'm representing if there is an A on the flop and I bet it and thus I can better define it. I usually don't have to worry about villain with 2 pair, I don't have to worry about villain with A higher kicker.

Where as with a limped pot, you flop an A, you don't know if villain is playing back with A worse kicker (AT, A9 because he thinks he has you outkicked) or whether he has 2 pair.

In otherwords, when I raise with the hand, I can actually find out where I am much cheaper than when I limp the hand and flop is not automatic check fold if it comes all unders.

I don't do this at 50 and below but I feel at 200s and maybe select 100s, raising out of the blinds with AJ is fine. Its even better if its fullring as people are generally tighter, more sensible.

octop · #7 07-12-2005, 06:52 PM

If there is just one ace it is highly possible that someone flopes two bullshit pair a set a straight draw etc.
When everybody limps and I hit 2 aces with a jack kicker I expect that I have the best hand. I have folded trips many times when I was sure I was behind but here I was sure I was ahead. I called and will post shortly.

Ghazban · #8 07-12-2005, 06:58 PM

I've raised AQ out of the blinds, gotten called by AK and then lost a bundle on an A-high flop with a flush draw out (causing me to play a fairly big pot to give the possible flush draw bad odds). Now, obviously, that is just bad results influencing play but I felt I was likely ahead the whole way because AK usually raises. With AJ, I have two hands that can screw me (AK and AQ). Maybe I will try raising out of the blinds with AJ the next few times it happens and see how it goes. Are you raising ATo as well?

octop · #9 07-12-2005, 07:02 PM

I dont raise with ace 10 or jack there I hate those hands

amoeba · #10 07-12-2005, 07:05 PM

I haven't raised AT as of yet. I think I'm less likely to do so with early position limpers in full ring.

I do it fairly often in 6 max though.

if you are playing with guys who open limp AK/AQ then yeah, it sucks, but typically this is not the case.

my most hated situation is mid position minraises and I find myself with AJ or AT in the blinds.