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Old 07-13-2005, 12:20 PM
citanul citanul is offline
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Default Two heads up hands

Opponent is a very good 2+2er. Has pushed something like 5/6 sb hands so far.

Hero has been tight, not by his own volition, but that should be his image at the moment "too tight." Hero has not yet pushed heads up.

Stacks even, blinds 250/500.
Two hands in a row:

hand 1:
Opponent pushes, hero has J7s, and ...?

hand 2:
hero has Q4o, hero ...?

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Old 07-13-2005, 12:40 PM
Phill S Phill S is offline
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

Didnt some mod on this forum point someone to a 'what is a hand' post not too long ago. In it it had a list of info about which we can give informed answers.

Now, we have your cards, blinds and your reads, but what we are missing is buy in, and by definition stack sizes (800 chip game, 1000 chip game?).

Welcome to the forum, i hope you learn the search function then i wouldnt need to point stuff like this out.

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Old 07-13-2005, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

First off, I can't imagine going 11/12 hands heads up (getting this from villian's SB pushes) at 250/500 (and whatever the previous blind was) without pushing -- i don't think i've ever been on a run of cards that bad. were you saying he had pushed that many sb hands from the time you had got down to 4 handed or so? i may be misunderstanding something.

apart from that, I don't think I can call the allin with jack high. while you're probably about even with his range of hands (read: any two cards), I just think this is a much better pushing hand than calling hand. obviously.

I'd push Q4 here. obviously a dog to most hands that would call, but given the great amount of FE you have, seems like a borderline push. especially given your tight image.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

sorry about that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] in actuality i guess since there *may* be some kind of adjustments to be made for the payout structure, i should give more information:

it's a step 5, so there's 10,000 chips in play.

payouts are nets of 1435 and 3435 for 2nd/1st respectively.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:52 PM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

Q4o is a fold if you turned your hand face up. I would guess that it is worth ~14 SB against a random hand, so you would be forced to fold since you are sitting on 19 SB. At game speed I'm pushing with it though since my opponent probably isn't going to call me with some better queens and some weak kings. In a real game against an opponent who can find a call, I would guess that it is worth about 20 SB. I push here.

I would fold J7s in your spot against an opponent moving in with 80-85% of his hands, but I think that it is super close. It is probably even +EV to call there but I never do. Leak?

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Old 07-13-2005, 01:08 PM
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Whilst i cant disagree with your analysis, im mucking both hands.

Q4 cos you still have enough chips to look for better opportunies.

J7s prolly does well against his range, but again, plenty of chips. Your worth more than that hand.

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Old 07-13-2005, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

I'd probably fold both of these with the intention of pushing the next hand with any 2.

Edit: This is assuming your stack is beginning to get small from the "too tight" play. If you somehow started with a huge advantage, then you probably don't need to push the next hand. With blinds where they are though, and assuming your stack is getting in the 3000 - 3500 range, I'd probably be pushing most anything to keep from getting blinded too far down. Also your pushes should get some respect if you've been playing tight.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

[ QUOTE ]
This is assuming your stack is beginning to get small from the "too tight" play.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is the assumption i based my post on, but it seems like the other two reply/ers did not make this assumption. which leads me to believe i misinterpreted the OP somehow.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:03 PM
Phill S Phill S is offline
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

I assume stack size is 5K at the time of the hands

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Old 07-13-2005, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: Two heads up hands

[ QUOTE ]
Opponent is a very good 2+2er. Has pushed something like 5/6 sb hands so far.

Hero has been tight, not by his own volition, but that should be his image at the moment "too tight." Hero has not yet pushed heads up.

Stacks even, blinds 250/500.
Two hands in a row:

hand 1:
Opponent pushes, hero has J7s, and ...?

hand 2:
hero has Q4o, hero ...?

citanul

[/ QUOTE ]

Fold
Push

Next?
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