I think this line might work OOP vs passive opponent ?

[Mig]

Ok, nothing sienctific but I did try it a few times 20 at least an it worked at least 15 times out of 20... I'm out of position, I capped or 3 betted preflop and the guys in the pot aren't over agressive 1.4 and lower


Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.


What do you think of that kind of move ? It might be silly or maybe not ? I know it should not work vs observing opponents but I just joined the table 2 orbits ago... So I'm pretty unknown

[marand]

I think you are very likely to give a free card on the turn with the best hand.

But if they are passive enough to check a pair, maybe it's not so bad. What is your plan on a blank river?
(I assume you bet any A or K)

[Mig]

Unlikely I have the best hand here with a raiser, a 3-bettor, a cold caller. There is definitively a pocket out there...

[marand]

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Unlikely I have the best hand here with a raiser, a 3-bettor, a cold caller. There is definitively a pocket out there...

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The cold caller just limped in preflop and then called 3 more. He could probably have any two cards and he folded on the flop. I think there is some chance that the raiser and 3-bettor both have high cards instead of a pair. If they have a pair they would often bet the turn since they are afraid to give a free card in this large pot.

Perhaps this line is good against passive opponents, but it looks strange to me.

You check/raise the flop OOP to get to see the river cheaper?

They don't 3-bet the flop and/or bet the turn often enough for it to actually cost more to see the river card?

Are you check/folding a blank river?

[Mig]

I capped preflop , I checkraised a ragged flop and I'm now checking the turn with another ragged turn card. Don't you think that someone with TT/JJ might be afraid of another checkraise ? I'm not sure here.. That's why I'M here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I'm wondering if it could work more than 50% of the time vs somewhat passive opponents...