SippinQQ

SippinSoma · #1 07-02-2005, 04:34 PM

Button is 53/1/.6 over 350 hands. Typical 2/4 Calling station.
MP1 is 47/6/1.8 over 180 hands. This is the first pot we butt heads in. Except for TPTK once or twice, he has not shown down less than an overpair.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, MP1 raises, Hero folds...

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cold_cash · #2 07-02-2005, 04:44 PM

I think this is okay.

At first I wanted to raise the turn to get the other guy out and fold if MP1 3-bets, but on further review I'm not that scared of the Button, and his calling pads the pot a bit.

Once he checkraises both of you on the river I'm pretty sure you're boned.

Evan · #3 07-02-2005, 04:47 PM

I'd raise the turn and call the river check raise.

Alpha13 · #4 07-02-2005, 05:09 PM

I think it'd play out much eaiser if you raised the flop. You're probably ahead of the button but I still raise to hopefully knock out his overs and see what MP has. If he 3bets either call down or cap and call down (call a C/R)

Evan · #5 07-02-2005, 05:10 PM

Given your plan, I don't see how raising the flop made the hand any easier.

Alpha13 · #6 07-02-2005, 05:16 PM

If this player 3bets the flop you can assume you're behind and call down from there (I can't toss an overpair on a flop like this, there's a small chance he has JJ or smething worse) Raising the turn is just a more expensive variation of the flop raise.

Evan · #7 07-02-2005, 05:20 PM

1. Part of your plan was to possibly cap.
2. If I think I'm ahead on the turn a high percentage of the time, shouldn't 'more expensive' say 'more profitable'?

Alpha13 · #8 07-02-2005, 05:26 PM

1. I generally would not cap unless this guy does strange things which I may consider capping then.

2. Yes but do you think you are ahead a high percentage of the time agaisnt a 6 PFR that capped preflop and led the flop? Find out when it's cheap, if he slows down then you are probably ahead, if not I start worrying about AA/KK

Evan · #9 07-02-2005, 05:27 PM

His AF is high enough that I'd be suspicious of weird [censored] despite his low PFF, that's why I call the river c/r.

SippinSoma · #10 07-02-2005, 06:20 PM

Evan, I'm 95% sure if I don't raise that button will call down the whole way.