Donking around on NL25 Going all in with the pair of 3's

FreakDaddy · #1 07-01-2005, 04:23 AM

Villian is a maniac (insert usual maniac stats here). I figured since he was a maniac and there were still lots of people yet to act he would more than likely re-raise me pre-flop with any high pair. So I figure I'm likely against overcards or flush draw here. The pots odds appeared close anough for me to make the call, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($17.05)
MP3 ($12.5)
CO ($12.95)
Button ($50.7)
SB ($29.6)
BB ($21.5)
UTG ($5.15)
UTG+1 ($25.35)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, MP2 calls $1.50, 2 folds, Button calls $1.50, 2 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($5.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $6, MP2 calls $15.55 (All-In), Button folds, Hero calls $9.55.

Turn: ($36.20) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($36.20) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $36.20

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3h 4h (one pair, threes).
MP2 has Ac 9s (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $36.20.

xorbie · #2 07-01-2005, 04:29 AM

PF is terrible with a maniac at the table.

FreakDaddy · #3 07-01-2005, 04:31 AM

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PF is terrible with a maniac at the table.

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Why? Because he's going to call my bet? I don't mind really.

xorbie · #4 07-01-2005, 04:32 AM

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PF is terrible with a maniac at the table.

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Why? Because he's going to call my bet? I don't mind really.

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Because that way when you hit a pair and end up all in on the flop you won't have to title your post "donking around".

FreakDaddy · #5 07-01-2005, 04:43 AM

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PF is terrible with a maniac at the table.

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Why? Because he's going to call my bet? I don't mind really.

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Because that way when you hit a pair and end up all in on the flop you won't have to title your post "donking around".

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Got it. So really, you don't like to because you think he'll come back over the top? I didn't see him doing that pre-flop, but post-flop he was making moves.

Publos Nemesis · #6 07-01-2005, 04:50 AM

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Got it. So really, you don't like to because you think he'll come back over the top? I didn't see him doing that pre-flop, but post-flop he was making moves.

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lol. i think he doesn't like your play b/c playing for all your chips with bottom pair (like you did) is friggin donkish.

FreakDaddy · #7 07-01-2005, 04:59 AM

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Got it. So really, you don't like to because you think he'll come back over the top? I didn't see him doing that pre-flop, but post-flop he was making moves.

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lol. i think he doesn't like your play b/c playing for all your chips with bottom pair (like you did) is friggin donkish.

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While I WAS 'donking' around on NL25, I think this is a solid play. What hands does the maniac have here to push? I'm worried about a set, or higher pair 88-TT. Yet I think he re-raises with TT even, and smooth calls the sets. So I'm looking at the pot and what I have to put in to call, and I think I'm good here over 55% of the time. This flopped missed most people, and if he did hit are they going to play for potentially all their chips? After a long hesitation I deduced I was best. I didn't have bottom pair, I had second pair dammit! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Publos Nemesis · #8 07-01-2005, 05:08 AM

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Got it. So really, you don't like to because you think he'll come back over the top? I didn't see him doing that pre-flop, but post-flop he was making moves.

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lol. i think he doesn't like your play b/c playing for all your chips with bottom pair (like you did) is friggin donkish.

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While I WAS 'donking' around on NL25, I think this is a solid play. What hands does the maniac have here to push? I'm worried about a set, or higher pair 88-TT. Yet I think he re-raises with TT even, and smooth calls the sets. So I'm looking at the pot and what I have to put in to call, and I think I'm good here over 55% of the time. This flopped missed most people, and if he did hit are they going to play for potentially all their chips? After a long hesitation I deduced I was best. I didn't have bottom pair, I had second pair dammit! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is ahead of you. Besides that, any set, or pair is likely given that you said he is a maniac.

Publos Nemesis · #9 07-01-2005, 05:16 AM

look how bad you are against A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 41.7%
A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 57.3 %

so, clearly you could be behind even with a pair when he has ace high. did you consider this at all?

DoomSlice · #10 07-01-2005, 06:44 AM

I've done the same thing with pocket 2s in a 6 9 J board. It was a LITTLE bit different, I called a raise preflop and reraised all in on the flop. The hand didn't end well, but I was ahead at the time that I made it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]