TT vs a maniac

Mig · #1 07-02-2005, 10:24 AM

Was I too agressive on the flop with the Q on the flop ? Over 500 hands vilain was 60/30/3.5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero caps, MP calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

sy_or_bust · #2 07-02-2005, 10:26 AM

Do you have a better read than maniac? (i.e. how light is the preflop 3-bet, the flop 3-bet, etc.) This doesn't look crazy at all.

Transference · #3 07-02-2005, 11:38 AM

Do you have 500 hands with villian or do you just have stats? If its the former I'd hope youd have a better read on his range here. Flop 3 bet is often fine with these numbers. I'm prepared to slow down on the turn. He almost certainly wont be able to resist betting a worse hand on this board so ill let him and I'm committed to showing down.

Mig · #4 07-02-2005, 11:50 AM

3 bet 67s... etc real moron. He can have anything here. From pocket Aces to nothing...

mtdoak · #5 07-02-2005, 12:48 PM

I like Bet/Call, and Bet/call to a blank river.

baronzeus · #6 07-02-2005, 12:50 PM

The worst thing in the world is to spew to a maniac. I check/call the turn and the river. Your mid-pair hand is marginal at best here, but you can be 95% sure he will bet at you. I think there are far more exploitable situations against lags (like when you hit top2 or a set and they have top pair)

Betting and raising is exactly what mr. lag wants you to do when he is ahead.

Petro · #7 07-02-2005, 12:59 PM

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I like Bet/Call, and Bet/call to a blank river.

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Agreed. Don't let it get checked through, but don't go nuts.

Jeff W · #8 07-02-2005, 01:00 PM

Bet-3bet turn for sure. If he caps you on the turn, then you can think about slowing down on the river. On a blank river J-2 I'd bet-call. Bet-3bet a Q/T river. Check-call an A/K river. Against a true maniac I'd bet-3bet any river.

baronzeus · #9 07-02-2005, 01:24 PM

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3 bet 67s... etc real moron. He can have anything here. From pocket Aces to nothing...

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Hmm based on this read I like bet/call better. There's not much you're behind here and if he has bottom 2 pair his hand just got forfeited. I hope you won this one.

What I've noticed is a lot of times these people think I'm putting a move on them so they play back at me. If he has it out for you, bet/call or even bet/3bet as jeffw suggested might be teh best option