I'm a hypocrite (LC)

Ghazban · #1 07-01-2005, 10:40 AM

I hate minraises and usually chastise people who make them. The one I make on the river of this hand is the only one I can honestly remember ever making outside of a tournament where the blinds are very high and stacks are very short.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($23.25)
CO ($24.50)
Hero ($59.40)
SB ($31.75)
BB ($19.75)
UTG ($9.05)
UTG+1 ($25.15)
UTG+2 ($49.50)
MP1 ($24.95)
MP2 ($19.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($2.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.50.

River: ($4) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero raises to $8, UTG folds, MP2 calls $4.

Final Pot: $20

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7h 6h (straight flush, eight high).
MP2 has 6d 2d (straight, six high).
Outcome: Hero wins $20.

amoeba · #2 07-01-2005, 10:45 AM

river minraise is fine.

I don't like the turn.

you must make it $2 on the turn.

TheWorstPlayer · #3 07-01-2005, 10:45 AM

Raise the turn.

jkkkk · #4 07-01-2005, 10:59 AM

More surprised you didn't raise the turn.

Ghazban · #5 07-01-2005, 11:15 AM

I raise this turn the majority of the time (probably about 85-90%); this time I didn't. I don't think its colossally wrong not to. A larger heart draw has only 5 outs (about 10:1 which isn't the price he's getting) instead of the nine he's expecting and I can stack him if I make my straight flush. A set or two pair would've let itself be known by now so the board pairing is rarely going to hurt me. I raise here and I pick up a very small pot most of the time (in the actual case, perhaps I could've stacked my opponent, but you don't run into enough 62's to count heavily on that). By calling, I can probably get some more money out of somebody on the river (not to mention that someone might checkraise the weak turn bet and I can win a big pot that way).

meleader2 · #6 07-01-2005, 11:23 AM

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and I can stack him if I make my straight flush.

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you say that cuz u made your str8 flush. you woulda been stacked (or at least ur "min raise" at most if u can lay it down) had a different [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hit.

amoeba · #7 07-01-2005, 11:26 AM

just make it $2. a flush draw will call you.

you make more the times they miss.

Ghazban · #8 07-01-2005, 11:28 AM

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and I can stack him if I make my straight flush.

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you say that cuz u made your str8 flush. you woulda been stacked (or at least ur "min raise" at most if u can lay it down) had a different [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hit.

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I get stacked here exactly 0% of the time. I'm in position. If a heart hit and someone pots it, I'm positive they have a flush and I'm folding. If its checked to me, I'm value betting and folding to a checkraise.

Ghazban · #9 07-01-2005, 11:28 AM

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just make it $2. a flush draw will call you.

you make more the times they miss.

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I hate when other people are righter than me

BZ_Zorro · #10 07-01-2005, 11:29 AM

Min raise the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I think Cloutier said (paraphrase): 'Don't slowplay the nuts, because someone else might be slowplaying a hand he only thinks is the nuts.' If you don't want to scare someone away, at least give them a chance to raise you. A small raise accomplishes that nicely.