Raising the turn (non-donkbet) with my aces

Ortho · #1 06-28-2005, 11:22 AM

When I raised the turn here, I got a little tingle in my stomach like when you're on the rollercoaster. I want to make sure that this isn't spewing, because I could quickly become addicted.

I've been in a number of pots with villain, and he's loose-aggressive. He's very aggressive postflop. Also, I've open-raised two or three times in the past orbit but haven't shown anything down, so he doesn't necessarily think I have anything.

I think these factors argue for the turn raise, but is it standard? Would you do this against an unknown? I typically just call here but I think that I've been missing bets. I'm considering making this turn raise/call down after 3-bet my standard play and would like opinions.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

tiltaholic · #2 06-28-2005, 11:28 AM

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When I raised the turn here, I got a little tingle in my stomach like when you're on the rollercoaster. I want to make sure that this isn't spewing, because I could quickly become addicted.

I've been in a number of pots with villain, and he's loose-aggressive. He's very aggressive postflop. Also, I've open-raised two or three times in the past orbit but haven't shown anything down, so he doesn't necessarily think I have anything.

I think these factors argue for the turn raise, but is it standard? Would you do this against an unknown? I typically just call here but I think that I've been missing bets. I'm considering making this turn raise/call down after 3-bet my standard play and would like opinions.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

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The turn raise is good.
If your read is strong and you think he is too over aggressive postflop, then I might cap the turn.
However, calling down as you did was good IMHO.
nice hand.

And, that's not a donkbet by villian.

Ortho · #3 06-28-2005, 11:31 AM

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When I raised the turn here, I got a little tingle in my stomach like when you're on the rollercoaster. I want to make sure that this isn't spewing, because I could quickly become addicted.

I've been in a number of pots with villain, and he's loose-aggressive. He's very aggressive postflop. Also, I've open-raised two or three times in the past orbit but haven't shown anything down, so he doesn't necessarily think I have anything.

I think these factors argue for the turn raise, but is it standard? Would you do this against an unknown? I typically just call here but I think that I've been missing bets. I'm considering making this turn raise/call down after 3-bet my standard play and would like opinions.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

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The turn raise is good.
If your read is strong and you think he is too over aggressive postflop, then I might cap the turn.
However, calling down as you did was good IMHO.
nice hand.

And, that's not a donkbet by villian.

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Oh yes, quite. I edited the topic title.

So, this would be a standard raise for you against an unknown and capping would be read-dependent? Because that's one notch more aggressive than I am here.

tiltaholic · #4 06-28-2005, 11:36 AM

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So, this would be a standard raise for you against an unknown and capping would be read-dependent? Because that's one notch more aggressive than I am here.

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He's not unknown, you already read him to be loose and very aggressive postflop. That read makes the turn raise good.

If he was a complete nut I'd consider capping the turn, but those kinds of maniacs are relatively rare. If he was a complete unknown and led into me after I capped the flop, I'd likely still raise the turn.

Ortho · #5 06-28-2005, 12:30 PM

Here villain shows Kh7h.

silkyslim · #6 06-28-2005, 01:17 PM

playernotes: led and 3-bet turn with 2nd nut flush DRAW.

TomBrooks · #7 06-28-2005, 03:38 PM

Make that: playernotes: led and 3-bet turn with 2nd nut flush and gutshot straight draw HU... and, Led out bluff bet 13BB river when draws busted.