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Old 06-28-2005, 12:01 PM
CarlSpackler CarlSpackler is offline
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Default I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

There痴 1125 in the pot. I知 getting exactly 3 to 1 on my money, but I have the worst hand imaginable. I think my stack is too small here to make this call with this bad of a hand. How good a hand do I need to make a call in this situation, with 2125 chips? Also, how big would my stack need to be to make a call here with any hand (including 23o)?

33sng - bb t300

Table Table 11562 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: HERO (2425)
Seat 2: KissMyAce928 (1410)
Seat 6: ChungQuo (1455)
Seat 7: JoeyBIII (675)
Seat 8: RokyE (2035)
RokyE posts small blind (150)
HERO posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
KissMyAce928 folds.
ChungQuo folds.
JoeyBIII raises (675) to 675
JoeyBIII is all-In.
RokyE folds.
HERO folds.
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:07 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

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How good a hand do I need to make a call in this situation, with 2125 chips?

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Old 06-28-2005, 12:08 PM
zambonidrivr zambonidrivr is offline
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

any king, any ace, any pair. thats how i play.

if you know he's a 2+2'er you may consider calling with a weaker hand, but 2 3 off is wrong.
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding

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How good a hand do I need to make a call in this situation, with 2125 chips?

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32o

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Old 06-28-2005, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

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any pair, any king, any ace, any queen, any jack, any ten, any nine, any eight, any seven, any six, any five, any four and any three

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Old 06-28-2005, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

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Old 06-28-2005, 12:59 PM
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding?

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any king, any ace, any pair. thats how i play.

if you know he's a 2+2'er you may consider calling with a weaker hand, but 2 3 off is wrong.

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you know, i bet if you spent less time insulting random people and actually read some of the decent posts, you'd know how wrong you were.
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Old 06-28-2005, 01:08 PM
Benholio Benholio is offline
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding

With 3:1 odds you can only fold if he shows you a pair before you act.

You are a 2:1 dog to overcards and 4:1 dog to an overpair, and overcards. If we put him on a conservative range of hands, like any pair, any ace, KT+ and QJ, then that makes 78 different paired hands and 256 unpaired ones. Those numbers are actually slightly off, since they don't discount your cards, but the point is just to illustrate that 75% of the time your opponent is going to show you an unpaired hand.
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Old 06-28-2005, 01:36 PM
CarlSpackler CarlSpackler is offline
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Default Re: I知 chip leader, last to act, getting 3 to 1 pot odds, and folding

I completely agree with your reasoning and logic here. I actually called in this spot with 23o. I changed it to a fold in this post, because of this previous post, where I was in a similar situation, getting almost 2.6 to 1 on my money with 62o, and most people said I should of folded. I know the stack sizes are different (I知 not the chip leader here), but I知 last to act here with a healthy stack. Why are people advocating I fold 62o here? Is it because I知 only getting about 2.6 to 1 instead of a full 3 to 1? Or does it have to do with the different stack sizes in this scenario?

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