whats your play?

popeye18 · #1 06-23-2005, 04:45 PM

When this play came up i just didnt know what to do. With reads this decision would be alot easier but i had none on the table yet. What do you guys do in this position with no reads?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero...

Raise? Fold?

irishpint · #2 06-23-2005, 04:49 PM

fold. he wouldnt bluff at a pot with this many players and a pf raiser. your 9s are surely no g00t.

Nick C · #3 06-23-2005, 04:52 PM

I would probably just give up immediately. There's not much to bet on that flop, and even if UTG+1 has, say, a worse pocket pair instead of a king, CO could easily have just hit the flop. Or he could have a better pair than you (like QQ/JJ) that he feels attached to. And someone else could also have a king (or even a 3, though that's less likely).

Anyway, I think you're probably behind. And you're not closing the action and have little chance to improve.

deception5 · #4 06-23-2005, 05:08 PM

Wow. When I saw this I was thinking all of the advice would be raise preflop and raise the flop. I think UTG+1 has a pocket pair very often. The only king hands I could think of would be KQo/KJ/KTs/K9s. Any pocket pair would be betting this flop to test the pfr. I would raise and reevaluate if CO 3-bets. Perhaps I am too aggressive in this situation.

What would you do if the flop was 833r?

Nick C · #5 06-23-2005, 05:10 PM

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What would you do if the flop was 833r?

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I would raise.

popeye18 · #6 06-23-2005, 05:12 PM

Yea im raising an 833 flop. I was also curious to see if people would tell me i should raise here preflop. I think its pretty close.

Nick C · #7 06-23-2005, 05:15 PM

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Yea im raising an 833 flop. I was also curious to see if people would tell me i should raise here preflop. I think its pretty close.

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A preflop raise is certainly something to consider.

I most likely would have raised preflop.

Edit: Still, I don't really mind the limp. The presence of the poster does increase the attractiveness of a raise, though, I think.

Shillx · #8 06-23-2005, 05:03 PM

I wonder if betting this flop from UTG+1 with QJ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is correct. I suspect that it is...

This hand is really villian dependant. I for example would never bet anything good in this spot except maybe quads (since I would never limp 3x UTG+1). Certain players would only bet a king or better here so it is tough to say. In general, you should be critical when people lead out like this into a field with a PFR. They usually don't have the hand that they are representing. This might be the one case where the dude actually has a King+ since the board has no other possibilities.

Brad

popeye18 · #9 06-23-2005, 05:18 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero...?

Shillx · #10 06-23-2005, 05:20 PM

Uhh I hope that you are just asking as a formality. This is the worlds easiest bet here. Also fold it if you get check/raised.

Brad