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Old 06-22-2005, 12:01 PM
Luke Luke is offline
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Party 30+3 - 4 players left

Hero (UTG): 1550
Button: 2900
SB: 1300
BB: 2250

Blinds are 100/200

The entire table's been playing fairly tightly since we were down to 5 people and I've been doing a bit more than my fair share of stealing.

Also, I have not been looked up on any of my steal attempts.

I'm dealt A7o. Fold or push?

If your answer for A7o is not a close one, let me know some hands that start to make this a close decision.

Thanks,

Luke
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:18 PM
HesseJam HesseJam is offline
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

Another successful steal here would be nice because you could let the blinds run through you and to tighten up a bit so that they call your next "steal" when you actually have a strong hand. But I think it is rather close and depends on how many times you pushed before.

OTH, you also might want to give SB a chance to screw up against BB so that you get ITM.

I cannot give a more precise answer.
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

Im ALL-IN! Im pushing A7 here 4 handed with 8xBB, anyone think thats a leak?
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Old 06-22-2005, 01:16 PM
CarlSpackler CarlSpackler is offline
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

I think the key to this hand is the button, as he’s the only player with 2 blocks of chip. You have the sb covered, and can cripple the bb, and since neither of them is terribly short-stacked here when taking the blinds into account, you have to figure they’re only going to call your push with big hands. The button is your biggest problem, as he’s to your left, and he’ll probably have the most liberal calling range. If you don’t push here, you’re going to have to make a move very soon, which will likely be stealing the chip leader’s bb in 2 hands, and this will look suspicious. I think you should push a7o here, because your hand is going to appear strong since you’re making this move utg (as compared to stealing the bb in 2 hands), and like another poster said, if successful, you can afford to fold the next orbit if necessary.
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Old 06-22-2005, 01:22 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

Fold here and it really isn't that close IMO.

I ran it through ICM and it agrees, even with opponents set on average.

With your opponents set on loose or maniac, it REALLY isn't close.

I don't like pushing weak aces, especially when you can survive another orbit and wait for a good pushing time on the button or the SB.
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Old 06-22-2005, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

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I ran it through ICM and it agrees, even with opponents set on average.


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Could you hook me up with a link for this webpage/program?

Thanks...

Luke
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Old 06-22-2005, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

I don't know what the ICM program has set for their opponents' hand ranges and what "average" represents, but what do you guys think is an "average" hand range for my opponents in this situation?

I don't have nearly as much SNG experience as most of you guys but I was thinking something along the lines of {AA-77, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AJo}.

You think that's about right?

Luke
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

I'm pretty wreckless in this spot so I push A7 90%+ of the time. I think I'm pushing something like 22+, Ax, KT, K8s, QTs, QJ, J9s, T9s in this spot +/- a few hands.
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: Bubble preflop play

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I'm pretty wreckless in this spot so I push A7 90%+ of the time. I think I'm pushing something like 22+, Ax, KT, K8s, QTs, QJ, J9s, T9s in this spot +/- a few hands.

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I have to admit my pushing range in this spot is pretty close to yours, only a smidge more conservative on average.

One question: How much does your range change here if we were not on the bubble? For example, if it was winner take all, are you loosening that range up a notch?

Luke
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:41 PM
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One question: How much does your range change here if we were not on the bubble? For example, if it was winner take all, are you loosening that range up a notch?

Luke

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I don't think I would change it much, but I'd imagine it would be a bit looser if anything.
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