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Old 01-22-2003, 09:03 PM
pufferfish pufferfish is offline
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Default Call, call, call.

$1/$2 - tightish, a little aggressive.

I open-raise 1UTG with Ah Qd. Folded to SB who 3-bets. I call and it's HU.

Flop: Ts 4c 4h

SB bets, I call.

Turn: Ts 4c 4h - Ad

SB bets, I call.

Since he 3-bet out of his SB I'm really worried that he may have AA or AK. I still feel like a wimp for not raising though.

River: Ts 4c 4h Ad - 5s

SB bets, I call, yawn.

Results to follow. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old 01-22-2003, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

Since he 3-bet out of his SB I'm really worried that he may have AA or AK.

You're playing too scared.

Call the turn and raise the river.

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Old 01-22-2003, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

Since he 3-bet out of his SB I'm really worried that he may have AA or AK. I still feel like a wimp for not raising though.

You should not be raising the turn here... you should just call to allow an underpair or undercards to continue to bluff. You probably should raise the river for value, though.
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Old 01-23-2003, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

Interesting, I would have popped the turn to take control of the hand, then bet the river. If you call the turn and wait to raise the river, don't you risk missing a bet if your opponent checks the river.
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Old 01-23-2003, 01:23 AM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

don't you risk missing a bet if your opponent checks the river

Don't you risk missing a bet if your opponent folds to your turn raise? What hand could your opponent have that a) you beat, and b) doesn't get severely spooked when you raise the turn when the Ace hits?
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Old 01-23-2003, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

I think raising the river is terrible.
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Old 01-23-2003, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

Why call the flop? If the SB isn't crazy and has normal 3-betting standards, like AKs, AA, KK, or QQ, calling serves no purpose.

You have 3 outs against KK and QQ, 3 outs plus some more split pot chances if the board double-pairs against AKs, and 0 outs against AA. Considering there's little money in the pot, you should fold. You can't bluff your opponent off a big pair, so there is no way to win the pot without drawing out.

If you think the SB might of been making a move with his 3-bet, and AQ-high might be the best hand, then I can see a reason not to fold, but there are very few players that do this.
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Old 01-23-2003, 02:11 PM
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SB showed Ks Kd. My Ah Qd held on a board of [ Ts 4c 4h Ad 5s].

I think not knowing this player made it much more difficult to play this hand. I open-raise 1UTG and it's folded to him. He 3-bets getting the BB out and isolating me. How much of a hand do you need to do that?

Being a legit re-raise, I kinda feel like I squeaked by. I wasn't gonna fold that flop since it was HU. Maybe it's wimpy, but I probably would have folded on the turn if the Ace hadn't come.

Thank you for the responses.
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Old 01-23-2003, 02:20 PM
Louie Landale Louie Landale is offline
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Default Re: Call, call, call.

Well, this is the problem with "trouble" hands.

You CAN, BTW, lay this one down on the flop since you are almost certainly beat AND are VERY unlikely to get him to fold later (such as if the turn is a K and he folds his JJ or the turn is a J and he folds his AK: not likely enough).

On the turn either YOU are way ahead or HE is way ahead, and the behind hand is very unlikley to draw out. Also, %age wise your hand really isn't THAT good. Also, if you raise he may NOT call with KK, but you may get a bet on the river if you flat call. Looks like a great time to flat call to me.

Well played.

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Old 01-23-2003, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Results

A 3 bet preflop in this situation is rarely going to be an 'isolation' raise. He's usually got the goods.

Why would someone want to isolate an EP raiser who has position on them?
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