Readjusting to full ring

kurosh · #1 06-20-2005, 07:03 PM

I haven't played full ring in forever and it seems like I keep paying off people with ace high. How often do you call stuff like this down against an unknown?

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $30.
Hero raises, 4 folds, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

toss · #2 06-20-2005, 07:18 PM

Normally I'd check/fold the river giving CO credit for an 8, but the board doubled paired. I'd want to see a showdown here too.

d10 · #3 06-20-2005, 07:20 PM

I'll fold this on the river.

einbert · #4 06-20-2005, 07:30 PM

I would probably fold the turn, but I definitely wouldn't fold the river.

I would call the turn frequently against an unknown, though.

toss · #5 06-20-2005, 07:32 PM

Are you folding the turn because villain will have trips too much to make calling profitable?

einbert · #6 06-20-2005, 07:41 PM

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Are you folding the turn because villain will have trips too much to make calling profitable?

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Because a call is just a little over breakeven if we're always drawing live, we're out of position and we stand to make the least and lose the most if we hit our hand.

If you're calling because it's likely that you have the best hand, that's fine. But your effective odds aren't very good.

toss · #7 06-20-2005, 07:42 PM

Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

einbert · #8 06-20-2005, 07:44 PM

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Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

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I'm definitely not sure it's correct, I'm going to think some more about how the river is going to play out against different hands the CO will have.

It's so hard to say against an unknown, but if people in this game generally don't fire the third barrel on a semibluff calling the turn and folding the river might be better.

No matter why I called the turn, I am calling _this_ river for sure because it could very well have just given us the best hand.

kurosh · #9 06-20-2005, 07:48 PM

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It's so hard to say against an unknown, but if people in this game generally don't fire the third barrel on a semibluff calling the turn and folding the river might be better.

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I know in 10/20 6-max people followed through on their bluffs relentlessly.

einbert · #10 06-20-2005, 07:51 PM

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I know in 10/20 6-max people followed through on their bluffs relentlessly.

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Yeah that's true.

I think that against a total unknown, your line is probably best (calling the turn and calling any river except maybe a 9 or T). At least you'll have some information about how they will play some hand, though I think you'll see an 8 or some sort of pocket pair the vast majority of the time.

I don't really like the turn card since it puts a lot of straight draws ahead of our hand.