444 - smoothcall/reraise? Do you like it?

Akimka · #1 06-16-2005, 06:32 AM

Is it FPS or proper way to play it?

Reads: BB is TP-P (19/3.9)
UTG is LA-P (77/14/1)
CO is LP-P (45/4)

Call on flop - I really don't want to fold CO and BB. So slowplay here is good? When it's figured out that BB c/raising is it good to 3bet because i don't want to give any flush draw cheap cards?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

pandared · #2 06-16-2005, 06:37 AM

4-4 utg+1 in a 8 handed game? u should have reraised on the flop, what if nobody raised behind your smooth call and a spade came on the turn?

mantasm · #3 06-16-2005, 06:37 AM

When were you planning on raising if BB hadn't checkraised? You say you want to keep Co and BB in, but if you raise the turn they'll only be putting more money in if they hit their straight or flush draw you let them draw correctly to. Raise the flop, it's draw heavy and waiting til the turn won't get you much more money.

rmarotti · #4 06-16-2005, 07:10 AM

Lots of draws out there that people will pay to see the turn with. Just raise it. TOo fancy and risky. Glad it worked out for you, though.

Webster · #5 06-16-2005, 07:15 AM

noway do I smooth call the flop.

1. 44 UTG+!?? loose
2. NEVER - slow play a set - although this time it looks OK but people will call a raise with anything - what if BB didn't raise.

Still - in my 1 billion hands I have learned 200 times that I should never slow play a set - the turn hits a spade and then you wondering about a flush.

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Moozh · #6 06-16-2005, 07:34 AM

As long as there's two to a flush out there, I don't fool around. One thing you need to realize, slowplaying is only effective if your opponents would have folded dominated hands otherwise. If you look at what happened, you would have gotten action whether you raised or called. By call-raising, you managed to scare off all of your opponents and lost all your action for the rest of the hand. Usually, playing your hand normally will get you more action than trying to be fancy anyway.

Akimka · #7 06-16-2005, 08:03 AM

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noway do I smooth call the flop.

1. 44 UTG+!?? loose

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Fold it after loose limper UTG+1?
What do you mean?

Thanks, Moozh - your words as worth as gold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I thought about that - fancy play scares other away and now i'm sure that's right.

pandared · #8 06-16-2005, 08:09 AM

yes u fold 4-4 in EP regardless if someone limped in in front of you, what if u get raised behind? u have a 1/8 chance of hitting trips, putting in a BB beforehand just isnt worth it

JoshuaD · #9 06-16-2005, 08:16 AM

Raise the flop, you have to protect from the flush draw. Preflop is fine.

SeaEagle · #10 06-16-2005, 08:20 AM

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By call-raising, you managed to scare off all of your opponents and lost all your action for the rest of the hand.

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Wouldn't simply raising (as his first action) do the same thing?