Flush draw, marginal odds

BZ_Zorro · #1 06-13-2005, 03:59 AM

This one belongs in the slow play hall of fame:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($108.45)
CO ($79.35)
Button ($193.09)
SB ($113.95)
Hero ($96.3)
UTG ($220.85)
UTG+1 ($173.07)
MP1 ($98.65)
MP2 ($168.92)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to $12, SB calls $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($42) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $20, SB calls $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($102) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, CO calls $20, SB calls $20.

Final Pot: $162

Results in white below: 
SB has 3c 3d (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has Js As (flush, ace high).
CO has 8h 7s (two pair, eights and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $162. 

Fold anywhere? River bet too small?

gulebjorn · #2 06-13-2005, 04:33 AM

Fold on the flop unless you are expecting overcallers for some reason. You're getting 2-1 pot odds when you need better than 4-1. Implied odds make up for a little bit, but I still don't think you're getting 2-1. If you've seen that these guys don't give a damn about that third flush card hitting the board, your implied odds go up, but I still think it's a marginal call.

For the reraise, you're getting 36-6 or 6-1 and it's an easy call.

Turn is 4-1 and again an easy call because your implied odds are going way up with this huge pot.

River: bet more! If you're counting on implied odds to call loose, you better use the times when you hit to make some serious money. With all the betting on previous rounds, it's obvious that these guys like their hands. I'd say you should be betting anywhere between 40$ and your stack here, depending on what you think they would call.

Edit: but i'm sure i'm not telling you anything you didn't already know [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Jocke_F · #3 06-13-2005, 06:00 AM

the others must put you on hitting the flush so I dont think you could bet much more then you did and still expect two callers, maybe 30$ would work. I guess sb has read super system, dont go broke in a unraised pot lol.
Seriously, I wonder what the heck he was thinking : )

xorbie · #4 06-13-2005, 10:03 AM

Every call is totally fine, especially if you bet at least $40 on that river. For the record I really like a flop raise against SB because you have an extremely strong hand on this flop. Once CO raises though, calling is probably the better way to play it.

swolfe · #5 06-13-2005, 10:09 AM

river bet is way too small. i'd make it $50.

EDIT: you have ~$63 left, right? push it in...although the way you played it, it's probably pretty obvious that you have the flush. well...shrug, i'd say you still need to be at least $30. $35 seems like a good number that would get a crying call and maybe someone with a smaller flush will push.