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Old 06-04-2005, 08:37 PM
drexah drexah is offline
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Default Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

This was right after i got stacked with QQ vs. AJ on a QKTr flop. I guess the gods felt bad.


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MP ($113.75)
Hero ($99.3)
SB ($114.6)
BB ($203.7)
UTG ($82.9)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.50, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $7, SB calls $7.

Flop: ($31) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
CHECK pastorbrian
CHECK anthonyj29
BET dexah , $20
RAISE pastorbrian, $40
ALL-IN anthonyj29 [ $193.7 ]
ALL-IN dexah [ $69.3 ]
ALL-IN pastorbrian [ $64.6 ]

Turn: ($31) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: ($31) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Results:
SB has 8d 8h (three of a kind, eights).
BB has Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has 6s 6d (flush, jack high).
Final Pot: $296.9
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:46 PM
ChuckyB ChuckyB is offline
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

I'm not sure which is most surprising:
1) You hit runner-runner flush
2) Three people hit sets on the flop
3) You called a re-raise to $10 preflop with sixes
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Old 06-04-2005, 09:09 PM
drexah drexah is offline
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

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I'm not sure which is most surprising:
1) You hit runner-runner flush
2) Three people hit sets on the flop
3) You called a re-raise to $10 preflop with sixes

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^tilt after getting stacked with QQ on a KQT flop.
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Old 06-04-2005, 09:50 PM
ChuckyB ChuckyB is offline
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

Thank goodness for tilt hey?
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Old 06-04-2005, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

As far as preflop, it was 7 back to him, so if he was confident there would be no reraise, it wasn't that horrible.
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Old 06-04-2005, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

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3) You called a re-raise to $10 preflop with sixes

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Preflop was fine. It was only $6 back to him and he had the other blind who called also.
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:46 PM
ChuckyB ChuckyB is offline
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

Calling $7 into $17 (with another man to act) is not sufficient when I suspect an overpair. SB has a good hand by calling the raise. Then the other guy goes over the top? That makes me think bigger pair. Even if hero was last to act, $7 into $24 is pretty bad. He's at least a 4:1 dog.

For example:
6s 6d 248751 18.15 1119334 81.66 2669 0.19 0.182
Ts Tc 593069 43.27 775016 56.54 2669 0.19 0.433
Ah Jh 526265 38.39 841820 61.41 2669 0.19 0.385

We all play different...I would have dumped it...and not won a load of cash.
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

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That makes me think bigger pair.

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Of course it does.

Q: What do you want when you're playing 66?
A: Someone who is going to pay you off when you hit a set.

-dB
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Old 06-05-2005, 02:33 AM
ChuckyB ChuckyB is offline
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

Granted you want to get paid off my hitting a set. But going in as a 4:1 underdog with 17:7 odds and a player behind you is crazy-ass crazy. Hit a set against AK or AQ with an A on the board. Your opponent has the same odds of hitting a set as you.
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Old 06-05-2005, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: Set under set under set. And i runner runner the flush.

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Your opponent has the same odds of hitting a set as you.

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That's not the point -- this is pretty basic implied odds.

Of course your opponent has the same odds of hitting a set as you do. BUT you have an advantage over him as soon as the flop comes out!

Why? Because if you hold 55, and the flop is QJ6, you are folding instantly. You're not going to draw to hit your set. You're not going to think your hand is good. You're not going to draw to a flush with one of your 5s. You're just going to fold.

On the other hand... if you hold QQ, your opponent holds 55, and the flop comes T85:

1) you're going to bet.
2) you're not going to assume your opponent has you beat, until he shows some serious aggression.

See what I mean?

-dB
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