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Old 06-07-2005, 06:44 PM
kongo_totte kongo_totte is offline
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Default Do you even bother to block this river?

Villian is 21/4 after 70 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (7 handed) converter

Button ($48.25)
SB ($50.27)
Hero ($56.35)
UTG ($52.43)
MP1 ($5.2)
MP2 ($100.95)
CO ($51.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, MP1 folds, CO calls $2.50.

Flop: ($6.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5.

Turn: ($16.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, CO calls $11.

River: ($38.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>
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Old 06-07-2005, 06:49 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

Any bet commits you. I would rather check and hope he bets small or checks behind. I don't want to commit my stack on that board if possible. Most people don't bluff here, despite it being an obviously good move.
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Old 06-07-2005, 06:50 PM
kongo_totte kongo_totte is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

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Any bet commits you. I would rather check and hope he bets small or checks behind. I don't want to commit my stack on that board if possible. Most people don't bluff here, despite it being an obviously good move.

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So you're saying I should call a push after my $12 bet?
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Old 06-07-2005, 06:52 PM
Los Feliz Slim Los Feliz Slim is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

I check/call the river, but I'm much happier checking the river if I pot it on the turn.
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:02 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

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Any bet commits you. I would rather check and hope he bets small or checks behind. I don't want to commit my stack on that board if possible. Most people don't bluff here, despite it being an obviously good move.

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So you're saying I should call a push after my $12 bet?

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Well, you're getting pretty good odds now...
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:09 PM
KKrAAAzy88s KKrAAAzy88s is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

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I check/call the river, but I'm much happier checking the river if I pot it on the turn.

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Could you explain further why you'd be happier if you had pot the turn? Is it because if you pot it, then you know that he probably has a hand that he really likes and he's not going to let go of?
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

I believe he is blocking, just one street earlier.

villain is very unlikely to bluff the river if he called a pot sized turn bet.
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:30 PM
Los Feliz Slim Los Feliz Slim is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

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I check/call the river, but I'm much happier checking the river if I pot it on the turn.

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Could you explain further why you'd be happier if you had pot the turn? Is it because if you pot it, then you know that he probably has a hand that he really likes and he's not going to let go of?

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I think by potting the turn I'm indicating that I have a hand that I like and am not likely to lay it down, which makes it easier for me to fold if I check the river and he makes a big bet. The problem with checking the river is that your check could be perceived as weakness (which of course can still be the case), but I think it makes it harder/less likely for Villain to bluff the river if I'm stronger on the turn.
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

If you pot the turn, you are pretty committed unless you just want to c/f the river. But if you're going to c/f the river when called, why pot the turn in the first place?
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Old 06-07-2005, 07:51 PM
Los Feliz Slim Los Feliz Slim is offline
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Default Re: Do you even bother to block this river?

I was thinking that if we're folding to a big bet after a check on the river, which I think we are, I'd feel better/more confident about it being a good laydown if I'm stronger on the turn.

Would you follow OP's line except for the river bet?
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