Preflop questions suck...

damaniac · #1 05-30-2005, 05:31 PM

So here are two from hands I played this weekend up in Milwaukee. I feel both are probably reasonably close, but I'd like input anyway.

First hand: 5/10
I have black tens in the BB. UTG raises, he is somewhat loose, reasonably aggressive, he raised AJo preflop for example, so I can say he has a decent but not crazy raising range. There are...I think 4 cold-callers. It could have been 3 or 5 as well, but I'll go with 4. Reraise or flat call?

Hand 2: 5/10 Kill pot, I'm the kill pot on the button, no less, so 10/20. Three limpers to me, no one terribly good, all somewhat loose, I have KQo. I usually raise this, didn't this time. You all raise this 100%? What about KJo? KQo in the sb?

Lost Wages · #2 05-31-2005, 04:32 PM

First hand:

It doesn't much matter from a preflop EV point of view. Given your position relative to the raiser, I would flat call and bet if I flopped an overpair in the hope that UTG would raise and protect my hand. Also lets you CR the field when you flop a set.

Hand 2

Raise without the kill. Given that you posted a kill blind, it's a super easy raise.

What about KJo?

Kill blind - yes. No kill blind - no.

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Nick Royale · #3 05-31-2005, 04:38 PM

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Kill blind - yes. No kill blind - no.

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How does the kill blind effect your decision? Isn't the kill blind and the BB of the same size?

brettbrettr · #4 05-31-2005, 04:51 PM

I'd just call hand 1, raise hand 2.

jason_t · #5 05-31-2005, 04:53 PM

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Kill blind - yes. No kill blind - no.

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How does the kill blind effect your decision? Isn't the kill blind and the BB of the same size?

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No, the kill blind is twice the table BB but the BB remains the same whether or not the pot is killed.

Nick Royale · #6 05-31-2005, 04:54 PM

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No, the kill blind is twice the table BB but the BB remains the same whether or not the pot is killed.

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Ok, that explains his reasoning.

deetle · #7 05-31-2005, 05:34 PM

Just a question for you (I dont play 5-10)
In hand 1 given utg is loose agg, is there any value to raise in hope of UTG re-raising to get it heads up or is this stupid because you are OOP the rest of the way

Lost Wages · #8 05-31-2005, 05:37 PM

No one is ever going to fold after having already called 2 bets cold.

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Guruman · #9 05-31-2005, 05:39 PM

re-raising is pointless in hand 1 since no cold-caller will fold in this spot for one more bet. Your players could be cold-calling with great cards, or they could be a little stupid - either way they're paying the bet and going to the flop. Hide your tens and hope for a happy board. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Hoi Polloi · #10 05-31-2005, 07:16 PM

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First hand:

It doesn't much matter from a preflop EV point of view. Given your position relative to the raiser, I would flat call and bet if I flopped an overpair in the hope that UTG would raise and protect my hand. Also lets you CR the field when you flop a set.

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Good analysis, LW. I think calling makes a lot of sense given OP's relative position as you point out. Thanks.