Dealers propping: -EV for dealers? (questions for dealers who prop)

[juanez]

If you are a dealer and you sometimes prop in the same card room, do you find it -EV from a dealers stand point to prop?

In other words, do you find that players end up toking less when you are dealing because they recognize you as the guy who check raised them two hours ago or the guy that caught the "miracle" card for the nut straight to beat their pocket Aces or whatever?

Do you play differently than you normally would while propping?

Do you find any negatives at all to propping (besides losing money when on a bad run, of course)?

I have been hesitant to prop, which is voluntary at the Gilpin, but have also drooled at the prospect of taking some cash from some of our...ummmm...looser players (man, that just sounds bad). But the negatives for a long term "relationship" with a regular on the dealer side have been telling me to say NO.

Any thoughts from the dealers/props?

[Randy_Refeld]

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In other words, do you find that players end up toking less when you are dealing because they recognize you as the guy who check raised them two hours ago or the guy that caught the "miracle" card for the nut straight to beat their pocket Aces or whatever?

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I have heard a lot of people claim this is true, but I haven't seen it myself. I have seen an occasional player that says he won't tip or actually tip less, but I would say overall the "players" get better tips; there are a lot of players that are willing to tip someone that will play with them that they see as their "friend."

Where the propping is -EV is you can never make playing what you would delaing (in the long run), but it is a good diversion to avoid burnout and is a good alternative to taking an EO to amke sure you still get your 40 hours a week in without having to deal the whole time.

[dicelumpY2005]

Personally, I hate playing where I work on the clock, yet other dealers can't get enough... That is my biggest fear as well: having a player get pissed off at a dealer who is sitting in as a prop, and he'll stop tipping ALL the dealers. Letting dealers play on the clock can be good: gives the other dealers more downs/less breaks...but it can be bad: causes others in the game not to tip any dealers...

[Terry]

In some places dealers are strongly discouraged when it comes to check raising. I’d say it’s wise to use it sparingly, particularly against weak regulars who might consider it dirty – you know who they are. Save your hardball plays for the big multiway pots when there is little danger of offending any one player or for the heads up action against tougher players and maniacs who won’t be offended by your action.

I’ve known a couple of decent dealer/players who were quite successful at subtly spreading the idea that their playing was a method of “giving something back” to the players.

[Brainwalter]

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I’ve known a couple of decent dealer/players who were quite successful at subtly spreading the idea that their playing was a method of “giving something back” to the players.

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Most of the dealers where I play don't have to go far out of their way to spread that idea.

[CrashPat]

Most of the time I play in a small 3 table room and if there is only one or two of the tables going and all 4 dealers are still there, say it is early, one of the dealers will shill for the house if the table is 6 handed or less. When they do this they are there to fill a seat and make blinds easier on some of the players, I've seen them fold pocket queens face up to a raise.

I've only seen a dealer propping once and he was a lot more aggressive but really friendly and when the table filled up and he started dealing there was no ill will toward him.

At the same time I spend a lot of time playing with dealers that are off the clock, sometimes in their own cardroom sometimes not, and I've never seen anybody get upset enough with them to stop tipping. I personally like dealers that play, gives me something to rib them over at 5 am when the game is pretty friendly and everybody is tired. "I can't believe you cracked my aces with 2 4 offsuit AGAIN, jeez you are a crazy player." And then tip them again when I rake a pot.

[Chipr777]

I prop 4-8, 10-20, and 20-40 at Horseshoe Tunica quite a bit. I proped in a 1-2 blind no limit Omaha high only game the other day for 30 minutes and took over $600 off the game. I actually get more respect from the higher limit players when I deal or floor because they know I play the game hard. In the smaller games, 4-8 and 1-5 stud, it depends on the player. I dealt a bad beat in stud about a year ago. Out of all the players at the table I walked with $50. Do you think I have a problem check-raising any of those players? I think not. The $2 and $3 a pot 4-8 players? I've been known to bet and tell them I have the nuts.

[other1]

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I dealt a bad beat in stud about a year ago. Out of all the players at the table I walked with $50. Do you think I have a problem check-raising any of those players?

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Just curious.. How big was the jackpot? Do you expect a bigger tip for a bigger pot in general, or was this just a special case because there was a jackpot involved? I generally tip more on big pots, but I have no idea what would be considered appropriate in the case of winning some sort of jackpot.

[Chipr777]

It was about 50 or 55k. Tips are never EXPECTED.. but they are..? Hard to explain. When I dealt the jackpot the player next to me said, "I'll take care of the dealer", and tossed $2. Now keep in mind when a jackpot is dealt you have to stay on the same game till it's paid. In this case it was 3 hours that I should have been dealing other games and making money. I actually lost money from the down time. The last jackpot I did on the floor was about 50k. Players share was around $1000. 15k for the looser of the hand and 10k for the winner. Between everyone the dealer walked off with about $2000. For the 70 and 80k jackpots I've seen dealers walk with well over 4 or 5k. This is in Hold'em of course. Stud players are generaly nits. Most are older than dirt and stud is the game they grew up with. They're just playing stud waiting to die. (sooner the better) The younger players that play stud only play because is the lowest game in the house. If 1-5 stud fell of the face of the earth I'd be happy.

[slavic]

They're just playing stud waiting to die. (sooner the better) The younger players that play stud only play because is the lowest game in the house. If 1-5 stud fell of the face of the earth I'd be happy.

I would love ofr the 1-5 structure to fall off the face of the eartch but calling out the nitty players is just bad form. They are still holding a table and paying part of your wage.

Besides it's not like they are 1-5 Razz players.