Who wants to take on MY ACES?!?!

[Kirkrrr]

This is a somewhat interesting situation I came across, and I've been wondering ever since if I was right.

2/3 NL at Ocean's 11, San Diego.
I have about 250, and limp UTG w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP1 makes it 30 to go, all fold to Button who calls, SB folds, BB calls.

I push all-in for 220 more, MP1 calls with his under-pair, Button with the words "This is the worst call I ever made (he wasn't kidding)" calls, BB is in agony of indecision. At that point, I say "Oh, c'mon now, join the party" knowing that my AA are a huge favorite (everyone else is all in - I have them all covered) and will be getting 3:1 on my money if he calls.

Was that stupid, basically asking for my AA to get cracked by a random hand? Or simply simple arithmetic?

Here are the numbers:

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=972239
pokenum -h kh 7h - 9h th - ad ac - qs qd
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kh 7h 139138 12.81 945215 87.04 1655 0.15 0.128
Th 9h 139631 12.86 944722 86.99 1655 0.15 0.129
Ac As 629131 57.93 455222 41.92 1655 0.15 0.580
Qs Qd 176453 16.25 907900 83.60 1655 0.15 0.163

Thanks,
Kirk R.

[ianlippert]

Sure you are going to lose about half the time, but when you win you win 4 times the money. Getting it all-in preflop with aces is never a mistake. Anyone who gets nervous about that doesnt understand pot odds or EV.

[Willluck]

I am sure there is a range of hands that BB has that isn't completely random.

[dogmeat]

Nothing wrong with wanting more callers who are big dogs to your aces. If you get beat, bummer. You did fine.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[KevinP]

We all know that A A is unbeatable right? HA!
Heads up against anyone of those hands sure, but
the fact is that the more callers you have the greater
chance you have of getting your aces cracked.

[pzhon]

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the more callers you have the greater
chance you have of getting your aces cracked.

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That means you should hope for fewer callers if your goal is to win pots.

If you get all-in for $100 with one caller, you will get back about $170 on average.

If you get all-in for $100 with 3 callers, you will get back about $220-$250 on average, depending on their ranges.

What is better, winning pots or winning money?

[pzhon]

AA does better all-in against more random callers. This is not something that is a priori obvious. AA will win less frequently, but when AA wins, the pot is much bigger. The latter factor is more important against random hands.

Against opponents with better than random hands, AA definitely wants more than one caller. I'm not sure if it is still true that AA would want as many as 8 callers, though.

If no one called your LRR, you would get back about $250+$90 = $340 for your $250.

If just QQ called, you would get back about $450.

If just QQ and K7s called, you would get back about $529. If just QQ and T9s called, you would get back about $516.

You expect to get back about $580 if everyone calls.

It looks like you should be happy, on average, that everyone stayed in.

[poker-penguin]

MAYBE in a tournament situation, perhaps if it is the bubble of a satellite, then there might be some reason to only want one caller. In cash games, I wish I could enforce a mandatory 10 way allin preflop when I have aces.

Surely someone good enough to play 2/3 No Limit should know what the answer to this question is already.

Edited to remove all instances of the words "Idiot".

[mosch]

The only possible error with this play is if your chatter might induce a fold.

[Guruman]

another advantage you have in this situation is that many of your callers may be drawing to fewer available outs. Kings, Queens, the other Aces, and Jacks are all as likely as anything to be distributed against your opponents hands. Run the poker stove again with a KK caller, a KQ caller, and an AJ caller. then smile [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]