Why 10/20 is so good (LC)

tongni · #1 05-25-2005, 12:50 AM

Well, one of us is the reason why 10/20 6m is so good. When you're not running well, you're just not running well.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO folds.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7h 6s (one pair, twos).
UTG has As 8s (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins 9 BB.

TStoneMBD · #2 05-25-2005, 01:03 AM

well, i think your play is awful in this hand to be honest.

Alobar · #3 05-25-2005, 01:06 AM

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he played it waaaay better than UTG, heh

tongni · #4 05-25-2005, 01:41 AM

Well, I didn't say my play was good. I didn't really see any other way to play it, except folding. although it feels like my hand is too strong for that. Betting out on the turn will likely get me called by the loose UTG, who probably has some sort of overcards. But there's no way he can call two cold, right?

EvanJC · #5 05-25-2005, 02:43 AM

i think he played it fine

skoal2k4 · #6 05-25-2005, 02:59 AM

what's "awful" about it? maybe he should c/r the river eh?

mungpo · #7 05-25-2005, 03:12 AM

I don't think his play is bad. However, I have no idea what UTG is doing.

kiddo · #8 05-25-2005, 03:48 AM

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Well, I didn't say my play was good. I didn't really see any other way to play it, except folding. although it feels like my hand is too strong for that. Betting out on the turn will likely get me called by the loose UTG, who probably has some sort of overcards. But there's no way he can call two cold, right?

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Even a loose player will often fold if he got nothing and pot is small and there are 2 players behind to act if u bet out. And how did u know CO was going to bet (and betting a hand that isnt worth to call all way with).

Also, there is a decent chance that the others got overcards + straight draw. A lose player - like UTG - will look at his hand and see 10 outs. 2 overcards and inside straightdraw. And if u have done raises like this before he probably also think there is a small chance his A high is good.

And this time the loose guy actually was right, about 2/3 of the deck was his.

I would much prefer a simple turnbet in this spot. If u are lucky u take it down, if not it was only 1BB and as much as 14 outs to hit river, making it a good, solid semibluff.

In my book this is a: "If noone bets flop and u got anything at all and turn isnt scary, then you should normally bet turn as a semibluff."

henrikrh · #9 05-25-2005, 05:17 AM

You are right, the hero and UTG play seen here is the reason 10/20 is so good, very fishy.

stigmata · #10 05-25-2005, 05:21 AM

I also just bet the turn.

In addition to what kiddo said, I think that sometimes bad players get tied to the pot once you pull a move on them. Kind of like they have to look you up once you check-raise them. Sometimes you get more fold equity when you just bet out.

Also, I usually give up on the river when called. Either villain has something or most of the draws he could have just completed.