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Old 05-20-2005, 01:39 AM
imported_AAcheckraise imported_AAcheckraise is offline
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Default Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

Raising preflop, one of my big leaks:

while I have heard some say don't raise, and ONLY PLAY FROM MP/LP: AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, AT

On the other hand, others advise raising with (even EP!!!??): AQ AJ KQ KJ AT????


Of course, position matters (im currently limping only in CO
Button, and blinds *and folding hands like AT AJ from EP/MP*
So.. any tips)


of course I realize a 3-bet on anytheese hands is almost always a fold, when to bet, and when to limp?

HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS SUITED THAN OFFSUIT????
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

This is from a post that I recently made...

There are the hands that I will always raise if the pot has not been raised and the table isn't super tight.

TT+ or 99+
AJo+, KQo
ATs+, KJs+

Then you have the hands that you will open-raise after a few have folded...

77-99
ATo, KJo, A9s, KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs
Some others at random

All in all, these are the hands that I will usually keep an open mind about raising (not steal raising)...

55+ or 66+
A9o+, A6s+
KTo+, K8s+
QJo, Q9s+
JTo, J9s+
T9s, T8s, 98s, 97s, 87s

That is a lot of different hands. Think outside the box.

Brad
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

UTG I am currently raising, in general:

99+, KQs-KJs, AJo+, ATs+

Might be forgetting something.
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

Suited I'll raise all of these from everywhere. (Not to be confused with cold-calling if the pot's already been raised, which can be okay with some of them if the conditions are right, but shouldn't be automatic.)

Off-suit, AQ is an auto-raise for me, as are AJ and QK most of the time, but the last two can change depending on the game.

I don't have a problem folding AT and KJ (off-suit) in early/middle position, but this is also game/opponent dependant. At a typical table I'm pitching them.
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:47 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

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of course I realize a 3-bet on anytheese hands is almost always a fold

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Old 05-20-2005, 01:52 AM
imported_AAcheckraise imported_AAcheckraise is offline
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

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Thats to imply if I raise with AQo and someones come back sorry I was not clear.

IS this standard to fold any of theese hands with a reraise (except TT+, AKs, AK)???
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:54 AM
istewart istewart is offline
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

No, if you raise with AQ and it is reraised behind you, you should call.
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

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of course I realize a 3-bet on anytheese hands is almost always a fold

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??????????????????????????????

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Thats to imply if I raise with AQo and someones come back sorry I was not clear.

IS this standard to fold any of theese hands with a reraise (except TT+, AKs, AK)???

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No.

Raising and folding to a 3-bet in limit poker is not something you should have as part of your repetoire. If, on the other hand, it's raised and 3-bet to you (by two other people) and your decision is to call/reraise/fold, then yes, you should be folding many of these hands. But if you raise and are reraised, you should not fold.

Rob
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Old 05-20-2005, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

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of course I realize a 3-bet on anytheese hands is almost always a fold

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??????????????????????????????

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Thats to imply if I raise with AQo and someones come back sorry I was not clear.

IS this standard to fold any of theese hands with a reraise (except TT+, AKs, AK)???

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No.

Raising and folding to a 3-bet in limit poker is not something you should have as part of your repetoire. If, on the other hand, it's raised and 3-bet to you (by two other people) and your decision is to call/reraise/fold, then yes, you should be folding many of these hands. But if you raise and are reraised, you should not fold.

Rob

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Now I understand my .77+BB/100 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This NL preflop is much different than my old game, NL [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: Limping/Preflop raising EV+ vs EV-

I've got a question -- say you have KJo UTG. Do people normally fold or limp this hand? I'm pretty sure KJs is an easy limp, ATs is a limp/raise...
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