$100NL Big Pair Stats...Room for Improvement?

[BZ_Zorro]

I'm wondering how these compare with other regular players of $100NL (10 handed).

10K hands

Hand..Times..Win%..Net $...Avg/Hand..PFR%

AA......48.......97.......520........10.84......94
KK.......49.......79.......229........4.68.......9 4
QQ......50.......72.......289........5.78.......84
JJ........51.......59.......274........5.38....... 60

These hands seem to be my guaranteed profit...other pps played for set value (very profitable) and more marginal hands break me about even with blinds, rake and bad play.
I suspect these averages are far too low, but I can't find real game EV stats for no limit.

Also, what are your biggest losers? For me:

AQo (243) (2.97)/hand
QJs (112) (2.96)/hand
ATs (88) (3.17)/hand

[Ojo_Rojo]

For a point or reference, these are my stats after 28k hands at 100NL 10 seated:

Hand--Times---Win%....Net $...Avg/Hand..PFR%
AA-----137---- 88.32---2180 --- 15.92---- 90
AKs----74 ---- 63.51---540 ----- 7.3----- 46
KK----120 ---- 75 ---- 540 ----- 4.49---- 86
QQ----134 ---- 68 ---- 456 ----- 3.4----- 90
JJ----134 ---- 45.5 -- 383 ----- 2.86-----8.21

Im quite passive preflop, I mostly play pocket Jacks for set value, unless I flop all undercards to them (ie. not raising pf). Looking at your stats, it looks like I could be losing a lot of extra value not playing them a bit more like QQ/KK.

As far as the others are concerned, I dont think getting AA 50 times is a large enough sample size to compare win-rate.

Are you winning with AKo/AKs?

My biggest losers are:

98o (-0.57 $/Hand)
QJo (-0.56 $/Hand)
54s (-1.62 $/Hand)
AQo (-0.4 $/Hand)
JTo (-0.38 $/Hand)

These losses mostly come from only a few poorly played hands, where for an example, I've got the arse-end of a straight and couldnt let it go, losing a big pot.

Perhaps you could look at your losing hands more closely - ie what position are you playing them in? You seem, to me, to be losing an awful lot with these hands.. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hope my stats are of some interest,

Ojo_Rojo

[pzhon]

How many people will post to say their numbers look worse than yours? Your stats look unsustainably high to me, particularly winning so much with JJ-KK. If you win that much with your high pairs, you should be beating the NL 100 game for an amount I haven't seen anyone claim to maintain. You are making back much more than the blinds just from this 2% of your hands, and many other hands are profitable.

Here is a poll in which other people have reported much lower win rates.

[BZ_Zorro]

I actually thought these numbers were very low, $4.60 per KK seems very small to me. I was concerned I was raising these hands too much. Note that the averages aren't PTBB, they are $ per hand.

My win rate isnt that hot, about $7.50/100 hands, mainly because I overplay other marginal cards. Perhaps that's why my pockets are getting paid off so much(?), though I am sure these numbers for pockets should be higher for a skilled player.

JJ and QQ seem reasonable, I think I they're two hands that I do play well. They are monster hands if you're disciplined and realistic about letting them go.

Thanks for the link, I did a search but didn't see it. By this poll, I seem to be in the low average.

[BZ_Zorro]

Thanks for responding, it's hard to find NL stats for comparison.

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Are you winning with AKo/AKs?

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Hand--Times---Win%....Net $...Avg/Hand..PFR%
AKs----27 --- 59.26 --(72.92)--- (2.70)--- 77
AQs----33 --- 51.25 ---107.58--- 3.26----- 40
AKo----88 ----40.91 -- 245.20--- 2.79----- 64

I guess I need a larger sample size for accurate results, I'll post again when I get to 25K hands.

When I bought PT, Party was set to delete hand histories after 30 days, so I've only got a month's worth of stats so far.

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I'm quite passive preflop, I mostly play pocket Jacks for set value, unless I flop all undercards to them (ie. not raising pf).

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I don't agree with people who say jacks should be limped. If you look at the win %, JJ wins the pot more often than AKo. You're ahead of any hand except three, and it's fairly easy to read if someone made a flop when overcards come. I get very aggressive with them from MP2+, or earlier in the right game. As long as you can easily fold them, they're a very good hand.