gimme a line

MattC · #1 05-03-2005, 11:58 PM

i feel like i totally messed this one up everywhere, gimme a line for this:
utg+1 tag, other guy is semi aggressive 50 vpip player

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

Azhrarn · #2 05-04-2005, 12:09 AM

Here's a line, although it's a boring one: check-call, check-call, check-raise or check-call, depending on if there's been a bet and a raise before it gets back to you on the river.

I don't like your turn checkraise against two opponents. I don't think your going to win this pot without showing down, and you don't have enough equity for this to be a value raise. Yes, you have a flush and a straight draw, but some of your straight outs are problematic (jacks, clubs.)

MattC · #3 05-04-2005, 12:13 AM

you dont think my hand is strong enough to ever take the lead or become strong at any point? also given that the pot is pretty big. why?

bakku · #4 05-04-2005, 12:14 AM

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you dont think my hand is strong enough to ever take the lead or become strong at any point? also given that the pot is pretty big. why?

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Cuz you have 9-high.

toss · #5 05-04-2005, 12:16 AM

I think I would bet and check/call the turn.

MattC · #6 05-04-2005, 12:18 AM

what are you saying, what do you think my pot equity is with my 9 high hand? too low?

chief444 · #7 05-04-2005, 12:22 AM

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Here's a line, although it's a boring one: check-call, check-call, check-raise or check-call, depending on if there's been a bet and a raise before it gets back to you on the river.

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MattC · #8 05-04-2005, 12:25 AM

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Here's a line, although it's a boring one: check-call, check-call, check-raise or check-call, depending on if there's been a bet and a raise before it gets back to you on the river.

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ive never check called that much in my life in an hour, feels sooooo passive. i dont understand why such passitivity is advised, can someone explain this to me.

it feels like that against two players my pot equity is big enough to play strong here.

RollingRockMike · #9 05-04-2005, 12:29 AM

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you dont think my hand is strong enough to ever take the lead or become strong at any point? also given that the pot is pretty big. why?

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I'd lead the flop because it would be a disaster in the off chance that this were checked around. I'd lead the turn unless I were raised on the flop, in which case I probably would not. On the river, it depends on your read and risk tolerance.

Mike

bakku · #10 05-04-2005, 12:31 AM

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what are you saying, what do you think my pot equity is with my 9 high hand? too low?

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At best you'll have around 35% pot equity if all your pair outs are dead but all your draws are live. Those times you get 3-bet and CO folds are a disaster. And if you don't get 3-bet, what are you doing on the river when you miss? You also don't have much fold equity.