Commerce 40-80 Floor Decision

[Klepton]

Friday Night at the Commerce 40-80, and i've been playing for about an hour, maybe down 5BB.

It's folded to the button who is a LAG that's a really bad postflop player. He looks at his cards and raises quickly. I see my first card, and Ace, and 3-bet, then look at the second card, a 3.

BB calls, and button calls, and the flop is rags.

I bet, BB folds, button angrily calls

turn is another rag putting 3 clubs on.

I bet, he calls very fast and angrily again. I very sure he's got overcards and will fold the river if it is a blank.

the river is the fourth club, and i look to see that my 3 is a club. I use the clarkmeister theorem and bet, he sits ther thinking for 4-7 seconds and then says 'alright whattya got' in a very pissed off tone.

I say 'flush, three high' and show my hand.

He goes 'look at that fcuking flush' and mucks his cards really hard.

This is where it gets interesting.

He mucked so hard the cards hit the chips near the muck and the Ace of clubs flips up on the board (literally on top of the 5 cards), the other card is still turned over and right in front of the dealer box.

Everyone now says that the pot is his, and he still hasn't realized thaty he should win. I ask the dealer "is that a mucked hand?" and he says "i can call the floor if you want"

Even though this player was a complete douche for calling me down with AJ high and not even thinking about looking to see if one was a club, I opted not to call the floor, as no floor person respects me or treats me with any care (except for the black lady at the board, she's the only one that remmebers me)

Now finally to my question, who calls the floor here?

I like to think that I am a very moral person, and calling the floor when it's clear that it would be an angle shoot feels wrong to me.

Am I an idiot for thinking this way? Should I start making a big deal about this?

I should point out that his hand never hit the muck, it hit the chips in front and landed on the board, which was my final reasoning for not calling the floor

[sfer]

I can go either way on your motivation, but I would call the floor just to get a definitive answer.

[J.A.Sucker]

So, did you take the pot? I would have. He mucked his hand. Or, are you saying that you gave him the pot? Screw that. If that's the case, I would have raised hell with the floor until I got the pot. Screw this guy. You're playing poker, not sitting in church.

[TomCollins]

I call the floor, but say something along the lines of "I just want whatever is right", and act like its no big deal. Chances are the floor will rule for me, but in the odd chance that the floor doesn't, don't make a big deal out of it.

Unless you aren't a regular and will never see this guy again. That's a lot of money to give to charity.

[toots]

You missed an obvious fourth option:

Let him have the pot, but only after figuring out (and implementing) some way to push him deeper into tilt.

I mean, there's rules, there's fair, and there's just plain fun.

[InfernoLL]

I've never played live so I don't know. If he throws his cards down and they don't hit the muck, are they officially mucked? What distinguishes a muck from an enthusiastic showdown?

[onegymrat]

Hi K,

He mucked, he forfeited the pot. There's really no other way to look at it. It would be different if he was "throwing" his hand up and it happened to mistakenly flip one card down, then it's his pot. But from your description, his intention was to muck and it mistakenly flipped one card up.

Take the pot quickly and move on.

[ShawnHoo]

The pot should be yours, so politely ask for the floorman to rule.

Nice river bet, by the way.

[antifish225]

Take the pot 100% of the time - call it an expensive lesson for the tilter that I am sure he will never do again (happened to me once a very long time ago - never did it again in 10 years...)

[jason_t]

Nice hand (especially the river bet), but you're a nit now.