Did I miss a raise on the turn, or a check-raise on the river?

SoBeDude · #1 04-23-2005, 10:58 PM

Big blind is horrible and the reason I'm at the table. MP3 is an unknown.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $15.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero caps, MP3 calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21.66 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (14.83 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.83 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26.83 BB

Since I 4 bet preflop, I'm really telegraphing the strength of my hand. MP3 calls 2 cold on the flop after BB bets out (BB betting out means NOTHING), then MP3 raises me on the expensive street when the King shows up. If I 3bet here BB might fold to a 4-bet and I'll be obgligated to pay off since the pot is huge. So I just called. Since he called two cold on the flop then popped me on the turn I'm a little afraid. Seems he'd play AA, KK, QQ, AK or KQs this way. One is unlikely and a chop, three I'm behind, and one I'm beating.

Now when the board pairs on the river, and pairs a relatively innocuous card, I think I should find a check-raise here. But I didn't and just called and MHIG.

Thoughts on how I played the hand?

-Scott

JihadOnTheRiver · #2 04-23-2005, 11:12 PM

MP3 screams QQ with this line, but it appears that he was on KQ, no? MAYBE AQ? Either way, I don't feel that you botched this line. Look at it again with his hand possibilities. I think its a neutral EV way to run this way. What'd he flip?

-Chop

goofball · #3 04-23-2005, 11:13 PM

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by 4betting preflop i telegraphed the strength of my hand

[/ QUOTE ]

sarcasm?
4bets preflop mean little in this game.
I think just calling the turn riase is good sine that screams KQ. Once you have KQ beat on the river not checkraising all 3 of those sucks is criminal. The money you loose the times he had Ks/Qs full is mroe than made up for by UTG and BB (and MP3) paying you off the times you are good.

SoBeDude · #4 04-23-2005, 11:17 PM

sarcasm?
4bets preflop mean little in this game.

Not when the 4bet comes from me, into a huge field.

-Scott

goofball · #5 04-23-2005, 11:26 PM

i ended the sentence early.

4bets usually means little to your opponents

DiamondDave · #6 04-24-2005, 04:13 AM

Checkraising the river sounds much safer than reraising the turn.