having trouble with maniacs

[bodie]

Hi everyone,

First of all, my question pertains to live play at a B&M.
I'm trying to figure out if this is mainly my problem, or if others get in the same situation. Normally I play Omaha 8, and I find that game easy to understand control, even when maniacs are playing. When I play Holdem, I usually play 4/8 or NL - but it's at 4/8 where I find this problem of players who raise nearly every hand and often cap the betting before the flop. When they flip their cards they usually have something like 7,3o - and yet they often win because they've driven others out of betting. I find it difficult to figure out. Many times they do it on kill pots where their initial raises really make it hard to enter without a premium hand.
I know others say to isolate the maniac, and if you have a premium hand I can see paying the price to do that. But what if you have a medium pocket pair, or J,Qs?
Do you have to just wait for position and a perfect premium hand or leave the table?
I get discouraged and annoyed when I find myself at a table like this - and it seems to happen alot at this limit. 4/8 seems to be just high enough for players to build big pots, and just low enough for them to afford to do it.'
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.

[bodie]

Should this question be on the Holdem small stakes forum?

[PassiveCaller]

yep.

[bodie]

and that's where I did end up posting it.

thanks