sort of a brag post (some content)

[schwza]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (8 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($27.27)
BB ($50.6)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($45.75)</font>
UTG+1 ($47.5)
MP1 ($51.3)
MP2 ($87.41)
CO ($55.45)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($64.2)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4, BB folds.

Turn: ($9.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

River: ($19.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $37.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Ts Td (full house, tens full of aces).
Hero has Jd Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins $37.75. </font>

i feel like the way i played it on the flop and turn were whatever. those plays were debatable (and i'd like to hear some debate).

but then the river came and i was two seconds away from saying "ok, sweet, my flush got there, time to push." but then i started thinking a little. what exactly am i trying to get called by? if villain has KT, he's probably folding to a push. same thing for any flopped two pair, as it's counterfeited now, and i doubt that JJ-KK is going to call a push. basically the only hands that i'd want to get called by are AJ-AK, and since villain did not raise pre-flop, the most likely hand is AJ. and that is not very likely at all.

whereas this could easily be a flopped set or flopped TPTK, both of which beat me. so i called.

what inspired me to post it was my own reaction to it. when villain showed his boat, i was thrilled. it reminded me of someone saying (don't remember who) that poker is not about winning pots, it's about making good decisions. the flipside is my roomates, who are more casual players and who are happy when they win a pot and bummed when they lose, regardless of whether they won/lost the min/max.

[Leaky Game]

My name says it all, so feel free to let me know if you think I'm wrong but the way I see it your call on the flop and on the river were awful if you're not going to bet into the made flush.

From what I can see, you called a $4 flop bet with $2 in the pot (1.5 to 1, yuck). Then you called a $5 turn bet with $10 in the pot (3 to 1, still not good but okay if you think you can get him all in if you hit). Then your made your flush and didn't bet into it. I would have folded the flop, the odds aren't right. 9 outs to a non nut flush, two overcards that if came could make him an unlikely straight. With discounts, maybe 11-12 or so outs.

Since you made it all that way, I think I might have reraised the river knowing I'm paying a boat off. If you don't do this, then your other two calls make no sense at all.

Just my 2 cents

[BobboFitos]

leaky, you need to read the board better before you post

[etgryphon]

I think you played it just about perfect...

It does always make me happy when I KNOW that I made the right play on every street. There are time when I win that I'm upset because I know that I didn't bet it correctly to extract more money.

-Gryph

[Leaky Game]

Looking at the number of posts I have, obviously I'm the new guy. Can someone explain to me why you'd call the flop bet? Turn bet? What did I miss?

I'm here to be edumacated, this might seem like a stupid question but if I don't ask it, I'll never get any better.

[The_Bends]

Personally I wouldn't call the flop bet, however it is perfectly justifable if you tihnk the villian will pay off and your overcards are good. You definatly can't be worried about them making a straight and the betting would not suggest and overpair so you only have to be worried about them making some sort of 2pair. You therefore have 16 outs to beat a hand that looks scared already.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Replay the hand, but change the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Now work out how much OP makes on the hand and then compute the implied odds that he had for each of his calls and see if that is sufficient to cover the odds that he needs to draw to his flush.

[BobboFitos]

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Replay the hand, but change the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Now work out how much OP makes on the hand and then compute the implied odds that he had for each of his calls and see if that is sufficient to cover the odds that he needs to draw to his flush.

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and he has belly buster on flop and double belly buster on turn, both of which should expect to get paid off immensely

overcards you cant count as outs because if you continue to face aggression (on turn) so pot is very big it's unlikely top pair Q/J kicker takes it down
although if you *DO* turn thsoe and they check it's easy to imagaine winning the pot checking it down there, so it is nice

still, leaky, you're right the flop is marginal. Villain is overbetting alot. I HATE calling overbets or pot bets with marginal draws. So I dont. Here, though, you have a strong draw.

Raising the flop is another option, too, but I think there was a post just recently with a similar situation with flush + straight outs facing anoverbet.

[JKratzer]

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It does always make me happy when I KNOW that I made the right play on every street.

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He obviously didn't play it perfect, with his read he should have folded on the river at least, if not before.

JKratzer

[swolfe]

i'd have probably raised the flop, maybe to $10. he'll either come over the top and you can fold, or he'll call and check to you on the turn...either because he only has top pair, or because he's trying to check-raise his set. check behind the turn to see if you hit your straight or flush draws.