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04-08-2005, 07:06 PM
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PF question (77 in SB)
playing 2/4 and a pretty average table all of a sudden has 6 limpers to me. I have 77 in the SB and the BB will call (he is loose), I raise.
How does that sound? Then, the flop comes KJ8 rainbow or something like that. I check/fold. Seems pretty basic, but I wanted to make sure I was maximizing value here... 
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#3
04-08-2005, 07:59 PM
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Re: PF question (77 in SB)
I vote no...
A lot of 77s equity comes from when it hits a set on the turn/river, which you might not be there to see. So, though you do have an equity edge, it might not be realized. I would like it A LOT more if you were the button, as it might get you a free turn.
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#4
04-08-2005, 08:04 PM
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Re: PF question (77 in SB)
Since you're playing for set value, 7.5:1, and some bizarre gutshot or OESD value I don't think it's all that bad, although I don't see much equity there especially as you're first to act come the flop.
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#5
04-08-2005, 08:18 PM
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Re: PF question (77 in SB)
I don't like a raise here.
Yes, 77 does have an equity edge, but as Ish said, a lot of that edge is derived from when you flop a set. When you hit your set your equity skyrockets, and it is easier to push that bigger edge when you don't raise pf IMO. You sacrifice value on a small equity edge preflop, for the potential to push a large one postflop, where it will be easier to slow play when correct, go for a c/r ... I don't think raising on the button for a free turn is worth it, as it will also usually prevent you from getting 2 bets in on the flop when you flop a set.
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#6
04-08-2005, 08:32 PM
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Re: PF question (77 in SB)
[ QUOTE ]
I don't like a raise here. Yes, 77 does have an equity edge, but as Ish said, a lot of that edge is derived from when you flop a set. When you hit your set your equity skyrockets, and it is easier to push that bigger edge when you don't raise pf IMO. You sacrifice value on a small equity edge preflop, for the potential to push a large one postflop, where it will be easier to slow play when correct, go for a c/r ... [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if you meant to respond to me, because I agree that calling is best here... but, I would say that it is easier to push your edge if you raised preflop, however. Simply because in a 7 way raised pot (14sb) players tend to put more bets in than a 7 way unraised pot (7sbs). Larger pots tie players to seeing turns/rivers/showdowns. [ QUOTE ] I don't think raising on the button for a free turn is worth it, as it will also usually prevent you from getting 2 bets in on the flop when you flop a set. [/ QUOTE ] It was debated pretty heavily with 44 here and here. I think 6 limpers and 77 on the button, a raise is pretty easy.
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