KQ vs 2+2er

[jgorham]

I open from UTG + 1 in full 15/30 game online with KQo. 2+2er on CO 3bets me. We have played together long enough for him to know I am a solid player, but don't think he knows I am a trout myself. At this point I put him on big pocket pair, AK or AQ, with AJs and KQs also being possible.

Heads up to the flop of K T 4 rainbow. I check, he bets, I call.

Turn 3o, I check, he bets, I call.

River 8 I check, he bets, I call.

Bizarre line for sure, but can't decide if I should have played it differently?

[philnewall]

Looks fine postflop, but preflop that would be an almost certain fold for me.

[stoxtrader]

perfect.

[Fortitude]

Little surprised to see Stox calling this 'perfect'.

Anyone care for betting and folding to a raise on this river? Any big ace is checking behind on this river anyways, so you're not inducing any bets there. 99, JJ, and QQ will be checking behind a decent amount of the time here. I think the real question is will you be more likely to get an extra bet out of 99, JJ, and QQ by betting this river as opposed to checking. Of course, if this player is at all capable of raising this river with a hand that beats yours, you should check-call for sure.

[W. Deranged]

I like this line a lot. It strikes me as somewhat similar to the situation described in HPFAP where you have QQ and a single K flops in a heads-up pot. You are in a situation where you have a fairly strong hand which is either likely way ahead (with your opponent drawing to no more than 3 outs) or way behind (with you drawing to 3 outs), there is almost no chance you are playing against a draw that merits pressure, and your opponent is unlikely to show much added aggression without having a hand that beats yours.

So, check-call, check-call, bet is a good line here. You maximize value against QQ, JJ, and even AQ (who will likely check the river behind but might make a crying call), and, assuming you can safely fold to a river raise here (which I think you can against all but the trickiest players), you lose the least against AA, KK, and AK.

So I like that idea.

[jgorham]

I don't want to bet the river, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if I got raised by AQ or QQ or JJ here. Remember the villain is 2+2er and capable of abusing a player who tries to bet "cause I would have called one bet" anyway.

[mach3]

I think the line is solid against a respected player. I like the check on the river too.

Any thoughts on a turn/river CR? I've been running into a lot of med PP 3 bets from LP - similar situations to this.

[DcifrThs]

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I open from UTG + 1 in full 15/30 game online with KQo. 2+2er on CO 3bets me. We have played together long enough for him to know I am a solid player, but don't think he knows I am a trout myself. At this point I put him on big pocket pair, AK or AQ, with AJs and KQs also being possible.

Heads up to the flop of K T 4 rainbow. I check, he bets, I call.

Turn 3o, I check, he bets, I call.

River 8 I check, he bets, I call.

Bizarre line for sure, but can't decide if I should have played it differently?

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dead on from start to finish. including the pf raise, including the river check (which are two things people might take issue with)

-Barron

[sfer]

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Standard line for sure, but can't decide if I should bet the river myself sometimes?

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Fixed your last line.

[johnnycakes]

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dead on from start to finish. including the pf raise

-Barron

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Wha???

I thought open raising KQ was standard.