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Old 03-29-2005, 02:32 PM
pottie pottie is offline
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Default KK and A flop

Only read on Villain PT VPIP45/PFR8 40 hands

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 ($82.3)
MP1 ($273.65)
MP2 ($237.15)
MP3 ($129.15)
Hero ($214.4)
Button ($98)
SB ($143.05)
BB ($674.1)
UTG ($179.8)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $11, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $10.

Flop: ($42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:14 PM
JimmyJazz1 JimmyJazz1 is offline
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Default Re: KK and A flop

Fold. His VPIP lets you know he'd call the $12 raise with A10, AJ, AQ or a variety of other AX hands. A8 is also another strong possibility. Your gutshot flush draw and KK are no good here. I think this is an easy lay down IMO.
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:26 PM
TakeMeToTheRiver TakeMeToTheRiver is offline
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Default Re: KK and A flop

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Your gutshot flush draw and KK are no good here.

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I assume you mean backdoor flush draw...

Without a better read on villain, I would also fold.
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:51 PM
maranello11 maranello11 is offline
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Default Re: KK and A flop

It is player dependent. Many times in a raised pot with the raiser last to act I will bet the ace even if I dont have it, to see where I am. Usually a player with AK, AQ etc. will minraise you back and give you an idea if his ace is stronger than your fake ace. If he calls, there is a good chance that he has KK QQ JJ and doesnt believe you. I like maing raising him back, because there is a good chance he called with A7 suited etc., Now you can play the ace too. But it is all player dependent. If you hit a king on the tunr you are good, if not he may check to see what you do and you can either bet hard or take a free card. But i dont like to give up to early on a hand like this. There is also a club draw, looks to me a weak ace 15 into a 40 pot. I like the raise and playing the player with a weak ace
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Old 03-29-2005, 04:17 PM
Los Feliz Slim Los Feliz Slim is offline
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Default Re: KK and A flop

That's true, but I think you're giving a lot of credit to a player we don't know much about. Also, if you call or raise you do it without knowing what the SB is going to do - check/raise is a very real possibility.

Easy fold.
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Old 03-29-2005, 04:39 PM
DasLeben DasLeben is offline
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Default Re: KK and A flop

I agree. Quietly muck your hand and don't waste your money.
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