A boring QJo hand in MP1

BigEndian · #1 03-14-2005, 12:14 PM

Same table as the other. Mostly rocks/MTers with one known 2+2 (in the CO). Two loose bad players, one who makes too many moves but I've been hurting (and he stopped calling my raises).

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Preflop: BigEndian is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, BigEndian raises, 5 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, BigEndian calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, BigEndian calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, BigEndian folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

- Jim

poboys · #2 03-14-2005, 12:19 PM

I think you played the flop and the turn very well.

Bob T. · #3 03-14-2005, 12:20 PM

You tried to steal from ep, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. What range of hands do you think SB has? and how do you think your QJ off plays against that range? I think you fold the flop, and save yourself one sb.

Jeffage · #4 03-14-2005, 12:45 PM

This preflop raise is flat out awful beyond belief. Muck the QJo in EP here. After the flop, I guess it's ok. But you're preflop error will prove very costly in the long run if you play it like that.

Jeff

BigEndian · #5 03-14-2005, 12:45 PM

I think you're right Bob. I posted this hand hoping someone would see genius where I felt like I threw an extra bet in. This player was an unknown and pretty new to the table at the time.

- Jim

Fat Nicky · #6 03-14-2005, 12:47 PM

i don't like the pre-flop raise from EP, even at a tight table.

BigEndian · #7 03-14-2005, 12:49 PM

I disagree with this. This is not a raise you make from any position all the time, agreed. But given the table description, I think this raise has plenty EV.

Very frequently I find myself on tables where the action is tight enough that I can steal from EP. Why would I not take advantage of it? How mny AJ, KJ, KQ, AQ hands are going to call me at this table given the description?

- Jim

chief444 · #8 03-14-2005, 12:50 PM

I don't think being bored is a good reason to play this hand and I can't think of any other reason. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

riffraff · #9 03-14-2005, 12:52 PM

like every post in these small stakes forums, this one has 5 answers saying the same thing and I'll add to it.

pre-flop raise was too loose. Fold this hand in EP every time.

Flop call is puzzling. Even with the 7 small bets in there I can't find a call here. You have somewhere between 6 and 0 outs.

QTip · #10 03-14-2005, 01:00 PM

It's an interesting though, and I'm sure it has value used with controlled frequency and complimenting tables.