Finding out whether ahead/behind

[oscark]

My old line would have been get to showdown. However, in both these hands the villains are TAGs. Although this won't be my standard line, I think it has its place. What do you think?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.33 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.33 BB

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $15.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Thanks,

Oscar

[TStoneMBD]

i would have checkraised the flop in hand 1, but after you bet and are raised, and bet and are raised on the turn, i dont think i like the laydown. the players at PP15 are aggressive enough to make this play with weak hands planning to check the river. calling down is better.

[steveyz]

Hand #1 you need to raise pre-flop.
Given your line though, I'd check-call the turn and either check-call river or bet-fold river.

Hand, I'm not sure, it's probably an ok fold against a very solid player although I'm not sure exactly want to put him on. 33 is unlikely for a good player in aggro game UTG. Most solids would also raise TT pre-flop. 77 wouldn't call the flop. The only hand I really see him having that you beat is ATs. Of course, if he's aggressive enough, would he make this play with something like JT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or T9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

I actually prefer calling down on the turn here against an TAG. If he has a weak ace he might be looking to fold for a raise.