crappy TPTK in step 5

[schwza]

a friend and i were discussing this hand. i was saying i'd have raised the flop. assume no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t390)
UTG+1 (t725)
MP1 (t665)
MP2 (t1615)
MP3 (t1260)
CO (t1318)
Button (t1367)
SB (t745)
Hero (t1915)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t45</font>, Hero calls t45, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t180) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, SB folds.

Final Pot: t280

[wAzZu24]

I would raise to 115ish on the flop. Why let him see a virtually free turn card when you have not that strong of a hand? Take the pot down.

[woodguy]

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i was saying i'd have raised the flop. assume no reads.


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Agreed.

No use giving UTG+1 great odds to call as there are too many scare cards in the deck.
Not to mention calling the SB doesn't help define the SB's hand.

He's lucky UTG+1 folded here.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Potowame]

I agree ,

1. you need to see where you stand, more than likly ahead.

2. you need to get the other limpers out of the hand.

[b0000000000m]

Agree about raising. Another (less practical) question is, assuming you're not going to raise, is it better to just call or fold?

Also...I always thought TPTK meant top pair, top kicker. Was I wrong about that? Or should the post be titled "TPCK in step 5"?

[schwza]

oops... just realized this is not TPTK at all.

please no heckling [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Che]

The flop call lets our Hero get away cheap if UTG+1 raises, plus he can fold out the flush draws on the turn (assuming the flush misses) with the same number of chips he would have had to commit to raise the flop (which probably would not get the flush to fold).

Add in that raising the flop builds a big pot with a small pot hand and callings seems OK to me.

BTW schwza - one-table or two-table Step 5? Could make a difference, ya know. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Later,
Che