wait wait wait... finally a hand and this happens

[therockofgibraltar]

THis is a real problem to me. I'm quite tight (about 18% preflop) and then when I'm also getting cold cards, it tkaes sometimes 15-20min before I finally get a hand. Then I'm so eager that I can't fold it!! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

(sorry but the hand converter doesn't work)

HAND1:
call-I call with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] -fold-fold-raise-call-fold-fold-call-fold-call-and I call.

FLOP. five players (9SB)
2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
bet-I raise-preflop raiser reraises-fold-fold-I call.

TURN. two players (8BB)
8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check-bet-I call

RIVER.
9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
check-bet-call

I didn't know then but the opponent was/is quite passive.

HAND2:
fold-call-fold-call-fold-fold-fold-I check in BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

FLOP. 3 players (3SB)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet-fold-raise-I reraise-he rereraises-I call

TURN: 2 players
7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet-he call

RIVER:
5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I check/call his bet.

No idea why I bet on the turn, I just did.

RIVER

[Ric]

Hand 1 looks fine against an unknown.

For hand 2, I'm more confused why you checked the river. He only called your turn bet, and the river blanked. Bet the river, call a raise.

[Eyeback]

Dunno about #1, seems fine. But #2 is a definite bet on turn followed by a bet on the river. He will pay you off with top pair or worse two pair way more often than he'll have a flush. Also, the flop action from a passive player doesnt really suggest a draw.

[therockofgibraltar]

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flop action from a passive player doesnt really suggest a draw

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Yep, he had KJ for a flopped straight! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

By the way, is it OK to hate passive players? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] It seems like I raise AK preflop, they call, the flop is something like A-5-3 rainbow. I bet-they call. I bet the turn they call- I bet the river thay call and show me 53o!
Well, you know what I mean. If theu would just raise, I would know what they have! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Is it possible that they are using my own aggression against me? They know that I'm an aggressive player (I will do all the work) and they will use that against me.

[davelin]

I'm thinking about folding hand 1 on the river.

[@bsolute_luck]

i don't know the limits, but if it is a passive table could you raise PRF with QJs? (weakness of mine maybe with not a lot of PRF raises and passive players).

Hand #1: why check the turn? just a question. i don't think i could fold on the river unless i had a good read on the PRF-raiser. you have TPGK.

Hand #2: There was no PRF action. what is wrong with how the villian played this hand? you both had solid hands and hit on the flop- his just happened to be better. His call on the river was probably a good move to make you not think straight or he was afraid of the flush. i guess my thought would be to bet the river.

[bakku]

Hand 1: I think you can find a fold on teh turn.

2: Bet the river.

[Reef]

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Hand 1: I think you can find a fold on the turn.

2: Bet the river.

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I was thinking this same thing on hand 1. He's drawing very slim and is almost certainly up against AA, KK or AQ.

[Reef]

*edited for spelling
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Hand 1: I think you can find a fold on the turn.

2: Bet the river.

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I was thinking this same thing on hand 1. He's drawing very slim and is almost certainly up against AA, KK or AQ.

[btspider]

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Hand 1: I think you can find a fold on the turn.

2: Bet the river.

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I was thinking this same thing on hand 1. He's drawing very slim and is almost certainly up against AA, KK or AQ.

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if it was close, i think the 3-flush and the absense of the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on board makes this a fold. We could hit trips or two pair and still lose to AA[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].