TPGK faces a 3-bet on the flop

private joker · #1 03-02-2005, 05:39 AM

Live 4/8 table at Commerce. You know the drill: lots of action, lots of hands like J2o taking down big pots.

I'm in the big brind with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I have a garden-variety LAG to my left who loves playing pots and loves to say "I raise!" He raises.

3 cold-callers, including a sLA-A in MP. I used to think he was a TAG, but then he started cold-calling raises like this and showing down some slightly weak offsuit cards out of position, so now I just think he's sL. But he is thinking, he is decent, and he is aggressive. I call.

Flop comes 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, and I, knowing the LAG will raise to blow away the field, bet out. (Yeah? I figure getting it heads up would rule). He does raise.

But oops. The sLA-A in MP 3-bets it. Folded to me. What say y'all?

Michael Davis · #2 03-02-2005, 05:43 AM

If you don't mind the variance I think your hand is worth a threebet preflop. I know it's light but it has value for the same reason this type of hand has value if everyone limps, because they're limping and raising with junk.

There's way too much on this board not to call this guy down here. I would definitely go into check mode but there's too much of a chance he's on a draw.

Sorry, I didn't see that there was another guy in the pot. Cap the flop. Lead the turn. If you get raised on the turn call and fold if you don't improve on the river. Improving includes the 9 pairing.

-Michael

private joker · #3 03-02-2005, 06:05 AM

Are there any turn cards you don't lead with if you cap the flop? An ace? A heart? An 8? A 6?

Michael Davis · #4 03-02-2005, 06:16 AM

First, depends on whether the guy in between calls. If he doesn't call, I'd probably lead any except perhaps the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], in that order. And I might lead all of those because damn it's easy to fold to a raise, and how do we know he's not going to bet QT if checked to?

This board sucks. There's a ton of stuff that can beat you but even with the threebet back to you there's still too much of a chance you're ahead with this against these opponents. The pot's big now, so getting the third man out is most important, and a coup if he has something like AQ.

If the third man calls and an ace drops I would probably check. I haven't figured out the size of the pot but I would probably call if it went unraised, but if goes check-bet-call and it's up to you, your number of possible outs has gone done at least one, IMO.

-Michael

Chris Daddy Cool · #5 03-02-2005, 06:19 AM

i'd 3-bet preflop as UTG's hand is almost like a straddle.

given that you didn't, betting into the flop is standard hoping he'd raise, but when its 3-bet back to you, i'm capping and leading the turn.

private joker · #6 03-02-2005, 06:21 AM

FWIW, I am 98% sure the guy in between will call a flop cap. He is a LAG and he's already put in 2 small bets on this street, and he open-raised UTG preflop.

Michael Davis · #7 03-02-2005, 06:28 AM

Then just calling the flop and leading the turn anyways is an option. That way you get to see if he caps the flop, though I'm not sure it changes anything if he's a nutball.

-Michael

private joker · #8 03-02-2005, 06:30 AM

Yeah, he's not really a nutball. He's no maniac. Just a garden-variety LAG. I think the difference is significant, but it's possible we have different definitions and this is semantics.

Michael Davis · #9 03-02-2005, 06:30 AM

No, there's a clear difference in meaning. A LAG can be a good player. A maniac can't. CDC straddles the line.

-Michael

private joker · #10 03-02-2005, 06:38 AM

So on a scale of 1-10, how horrible is folding when it's two back to me?