HUH, wtf, reasonable flop call??????

nrinker · #1 02-19-2005, 03:31 AM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

sy_or_bust · #2 02-19-2005, 03:38 AM

Heads up this is a bad call if your plan is to fold the turn/river unimproved. Why bother? This is a tiny pot and you're easily dominated.

LowDown22 · #3 02-19-2005, 03:40 AM

I'd fold the flop. I'm figuring that either yor Ace is dominated or your T outs could be already behind a bigger PP and thus worthless. You do have a backdoor flush draw. I estimate your hand worth around 4.5 to 5 outs. Not enough for me to continue here.

easypete · #4 02-19-2005, 03:47 AM

I would think about raising this pf.

On the flop... i dunno... don't like the paired board, but the SB doesn't have a 6 (or, let's just say shouldn't... it is PP after all). Do you have the odds to call?

You don't stand a good chance to have both cards live, but what will the SB raise w/ pf. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, AJs, KQs, KQo.... maybe more hands... maybe less... depends on the read for SB.

You may be outkicked if an ace comes, you may be out-paired if a T comes. Give yourself about 2 outs here for the overcards and about 1.5 for the backdoor flush. You could probably give yourself about .5 outs for backdoor straight. You probably have 4 outs here. You are getting 8:1 on your call. You need to have 10.75:1 or better to call here. I think you can fold here safely.

Turn is a no-brainer. as is the river.

nrinker · #5 02-19-2005, 03:48 AM

exactly the thoughts flowing through my head, just played it like a cockroach and wanted to hear from you all.

DontRaisePlz · #6 02-19-2005, 03:52 AM

ATs is one of my "raise from all positions w/o hesitation" hands. Definitely raise it.

wrto4556 · #7 02-19-2005, 03:52 AM

I don't raise this from that early in. The flop call is bad IMO. The pot is miniscule.<----is that a word? I didn't know it existed i've been playing so long at party.

easypete · #8 02-19-2005, 03:55 AM

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ATs is one of my "raise from all positions w/o hesitation" hands. Definitely raise it.

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It's on my list too, but I think it has to do with post flop play. I remember when I would never think about raising ATs... now it's natural. I think you need to be comfortable with it.

And don't autoraise any hand. Understand your position vs the other players and types of players before you make a decision like this. If I'm UTG w/ ATs, I will not raise it if I can get a maniac on my left to raise it for me. I will get the pot more multiway than if I raise into a maniac and he 3-bets... I like it heads-up enough, but like it more multiway.

Shillx · #9 02-19-2005, 04:39 AM

You are joking right?

ATs is profitable to raise UTG for one.

The paired board is our friend in this case. We have chopping outs against AK-AJ if that is what we are up agianst. We have 3 outs against KK-TT no matter if the board is paired or not.

Brad

JoshuaD · #10 02-19-2005, 04:41 AM

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Turn is a no-brainer. as is the river.

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I don't think it is. I'd consider a semi-bluff raise here, depending on reads on SB.