2/4 hand analysis

winky51 · #1 02-14-2005, 03:16 PM

1st I think 2 pair, A9 (spades), or K9s (spade). Set he would raise on the turn probably.

Then he raises on the turn! I pick up a straight draw. What the hell is he raising twice with?. So I call. Think more now 2 pair or A9 or K9. The 2nd desperate player is all in so he can have anything. River comes he bets again I am ready to fold. Figure I have to be beat at this point but I am only 85% certain because of the range of hands I am beaten by don't add up to over 90%. The pot is giving 92%, I call.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Kyle · #2 02-14-2005, 03:19 PM

raise the turn

Malificent · #3 02-14-2005, 03:23 PM

Where did the BB go?

Anyway, I'd raise the turn, call a 3 bet and fold the river unimproved (if you're 3bet). I just don't see your overpair being good here when UTG bets into the field after it was capped on the flop.

PokerBob · #4 02-14-2005, 03:30 PM

BB probably has a retarded 2-pair or a set. That said, I think I play it exactly the way you did. I may have even raised the turn with the OESD, cuz If he DOES have a retarded 2-pair (97, 94 or 74) you have a slew of outs to beat him.

Fat Nicky · #5 02-14-2005, 03:31 PM

I like the way you played the hand.

As some have recommended, I hate raising the turn. I don't see a point. You're likely to get 3-bet as UTG shows no signs of slowing down, and no one with a flush draw is folding for another bet. I think you're goal at this point is to see the river for as cheap as possible.

Malificent · #6 02-14-2005, 03:34 PM

I wouldn't listen to me either. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I have a hard time figuring when it is ok to just check and call it. Overcompensation for perceived weak-tightness in my play.

winky51 · #7 02-14-2005, 03:45 PM

I dont see the point of 3 betting.

They put you on AA or KK because of my flop aggressiveness.

I think raising leaves you with losing more than winning. You going to pay an extra bet becuase of what they think I have when they have me beat and then I fold the river unimproved. I pay an extra bet on a longshot. Anyother situation I break even. Except if I make my straight. If I raise and only get called by A9 or K9, make the straight then I still make an extra bet. If I call the turn and raise the river when I make my straight I make an extra bet and maybe more if they have a set.

So it seems raising here is actually wrong in my opinion. Too many hands beat you that will raise. So why not see the river cheap and if you hit you can then raise. Because if they really made 2 pair or a set they will bet.

winky51 · #8 02-14-2005, 03:54 PM

The all in had Qh 9c, a crap hand as I expected.

The flop and turn raiser had Ks 2s. He hit a 2 on the river. I was shocked.

I won shocked.

Been seeing a lot of this kind of weird behavior lately. I think these fish have ESPN fever. Now I am getting AT LEAST 1 limper per table and 1-2 bluffers. Even live I see limpers and crazy idiots more now.

Sarge85 · #9 02-14-2005, 04:00 PM

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raise the turn

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I can't see the point of raising the turn here.

Be happy you picked up a draw, but raising the turn, is probably going to cost you another bet on the turn.

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