Winning player can't get AA right?

AgentBishop · #1 02-10-2005, 07:49 PM

I have been using poker tracker for about the last 3200 hands (I know its a small sample size) and I am just baffled at the amount won with AA. I have gotten AA 24 time an I'm only up $7.93. Am I just holding on to it to long? Am I not aggressive enough with it? I think I am just mesmerized by AA and don't see the big picture at the table. I have been playing for about a year or so now and have won more and played more than PT shows. I only recently have started using it.

Piz0wn0reD!!!!!! · #2 02-10-2005, 07:51 PM

the worst ive ran into so far was 72 consecutive KK w/o a profit. Oddly i was up overall during that period.

AgentBishop · #3 02-10-2005, 07:53 PM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter

CO ($20.20)
Hero ($19.45)
SB ($52.90)
BB ($54.05)
UTG ($16.75)
UTG+1 ($49.55)
UTG+2 ($22.55)
MP1 ($52.25)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($35.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP3 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($9.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $5, MP3 raises to $24.25, Hero calls $10.70 (All-In).

River: ($49.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $49.20
Main Pot: $40.65, between Hero and MP3. > Pot won by MP3 ($40.65).
Pot 2: $8.55, returned to MP3.

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ad (two pair, aces and nines).
MP3 has 9s Qs (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP3 wins $49.20.

AgentBishop · #4 02-10-2005, 07:55 PM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 ($53.20)
MP1 ($85.55)
MP2 ($21.25)
CO ($18.50)
Button ($81.40)
SB ($16)
BB ($24.10)
Hero ($28)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1.5, 4 folds, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, Button folds, BB calls $1.50.

River: ($7.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $21.1 (All-In), Hero calls $21.10.

Final Pot: $49.95
Main Pot: $49.95, between BB and Hero. > Pot won by BB ($49.95).

Results in white below: 
BB has Jh 4h (straight, five high).
Hero has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: BB wins $49.95. [/color

tbach24 · #5 02-10-2005, 07:56 PM

Don't slowplay. Don't underbet pots. Problem solved.

AgentBishop · #6 02-10-2005, 07:58 PM

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (7 handed) converter

MP1 ($64.55)
Hero ($70.55)
CO ($9)
Button ($37.65)
SB ($7.10)
BB ($46.75)
UTG ($31.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $4.5, SB raises to $4.5, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $8.35, Button calls $3.85.

Turn: ($26.20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $11, Button bets $11, Hero calls $0.

River: ($48.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: $48.20
Main Pot: $48.20, between Hero, Button and SB. > Pot won by SB ($48.20).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and sevens).
Button has Kh Ah (two pair, kings and sevens).
SB has 7h 6c (full house, sevens full of sixes).
Outcome: SB wins $48.20.

tbach24 · #7 02-10-2005, 07:59 PM

Also, no min-raising preflop.

zaxx19 · #8 02-10-2005, 07:59 PM

Agent if you routinely make river calls like that ...I suggest giving up poker. I hope you were drunk at the time.

If you guys are finding it hard to make money with AA you are probably(and in the case of the 2 hands posted certainly) playing them to slowly and getting far to greedy with the hand.

If you actually see yourself regularly losing money with the hand just starting moving in every time you get them seems like its clearly +EV isnt it??

TheWorstPlayer · #9 02-10-2005, 08:02 PM

These two hands can be the reason why you are not up that much, since it is such a small sample. But on this second one you should bet on the flop. If villain has an ace he will call, if he has a set you are golden, and if he has a mid pair he is either going to call on the flop or not going to call on the turn either, so there is no point in waiting. And there are two gutshot straight draws which will bust your whole stack, so you can't let them draw for free. Then on the turn, you definitely can't bet so small now that there is a flush draw on the board. You aren't likely to fold such a strong hand even if the flush hits, so you have to bet more to cut down on the implied odds of a flush draw here.

edge · #10 02-10-2005, 08:02 PM

Raise more preflop. Stop underbetting. Don't make that terrible call with top set on a one-card straight board.