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Old 02-08-2005, 05:30 PM
Moozh Moozh is offline
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Default I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

Is this really the right spot to try and push people out? Is the pot big enough? What about after the villian caps the flop? What do I do when I hit my ace? Villian is a 40/0.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 (poster) checks, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:38 PM
Rudis Rudis is offline
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

Just isn't worth it. He will realize you don't have a 5, but will he put you on a PP? If he does have the trips...
If he doesn't but realize you don't and caps, what do you do...Its going to be soooo much pain for that little pot. I'd say just call. Of course, I wouldn't even have bet it.
Who will belive that bet? And with that many opponents...
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:39 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

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Villian is a 40/0

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...and he raised the flop. i see no value in a 3-bet.
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:43 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

I don't mind betting the flop, but don't 3-bet. Call and fold the turn for a bet.
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Old 02-08-2005, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

I think the first bet is already close with so many people in, and I don't like the 3bet afterwards. The flop cap from UTG+1 now means you might be drawing dead with no redraws to any backdoors, but there's a chance you're up against a mid-low PP so you'll have to proceed carefully.

The turn call is close since you're not quite getting the 14.3:1 assuming 3 outs for your overs and you're getting no implied to make up for it.

I would just call the river because you will only be raised by a better hand.
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Old 02-08-2005, 06:19 PM
Moozh Moozh is offline
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

Thanks, I kinda needed a little slap across the face for this one. At the time, all I could think about was the big pot and a flop that probably missed everyone. But I need to learn to just let these go sometimes.
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Old 02-08-2005, 06:19 PM
Nate tha' Great Nate tha' Great is offline
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Default Re: I 3-bet the flop with AQo, no pair no draw

He has a better hand than you. He check-raised like sixteen limpers on a drawless board even though he has an aggression factor of -2.6. This is a fairly close peel versus fold immediately decision but 3-betting is awful.
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