Killer hand in the PS 350K Tourny Sun Nite. Comments Please

Prime Time · #1 02-06-2005, 09:23 PM

I really got to learn how to play AK.

Guys, this is the hand that crippled me in the 350K Tourney Sun night.
As you can see I was very healthy at the moment, but winning this hand would have put me back to the top 10. Was around 60th at that instant.
Keep in mind when you read this that I was in the SB and Gunslinger was in steal position.
I figured it would be a coin flip, with possibly having the lead, as I ruled out AA or KK with his almost push raise.

Comments please. I know I had no fold equity by calling. Was this alone enough to throw the cards in the muck?
Comments and flames welcome.

PokerStars Game #1179358523: Tournament #4784888, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII
(1000/2000) - 2005/02/06 - 19:34:10 (ET)
Table '4784888 7' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: tctct (10637 in chips)
Seat 2: Jensen (8895 in chips)
Seat 3: TheTakeover (32140 in chips)
Seat 4: arzCARDZfan (10585 in chips)
Seat 5: BikeNotCar (43445 in chips)
Seat 6: Gunslinger3 (22725 in chips)
Seat 7: Carmel (26626 in chips)
Seat 8: PGA71 (24472 in chips)
Seat 9: mm-nh (7805 in chips)
tctct: posts the ante 100
Jensen: posts the ante 100
TheTakeover: posts the ante 100
arzCARDZfan: posts the ante 100
BikeNotCar: posts the ante 100
Gunslinger3: posts the ante 100
Carmel: posts the ante 100
PGA71: posts the ante 100
mm-nh: posts the ante 100
PGA71: posts small blind 1000
mm-nh: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PGA71 [As Kh]
TheTakeover said, "all babybat followers are welcome"
rocksockyea [observer] said, "hahahahaha, im playing really bad today, so im
just gonna watch [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]"
tctct: folds
Jensen: folds
TheTakeover: folds
nicktg18 [observer] said, "LOL"
TheTakeover said, "lol"
nicktg18 [observer] said, "WHAT U BEEN PLAYIN"
TheTakeover said, "that 65"
arzCARDZfan: folds
BikeNotCar: folds
TheTakeover said, "shall we move on?"
rocksockyea [observer] said, "$20 sitters"
Gunslinger3: raises 20000 to 22000
nicktg18 [observer] said, "AND LOSING?"
Travers22 [observer] said, "gunslinger u go to ou?"
rocksockyea [observer] said, "yep"
rocksockyea [observer] said, "got 3rd in one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]"
Carmel: folds
ZeKGB [observer] said, "NO"
PGA71: raises 2372 to 24372 and is all-in
mm-nh: folds
Gunslinger3: calls 625 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5h Ts]
PGA71 said, "nh"
ZeKGB [observer] said, "jack"
nicktg18 [observer] said, "NOT TOO BAD ROCK"
*** TURN *** [Qc 5h Ts] [6c]
nicktg18 [observer] said, "J"
nicktg18 [observer] said, "J"
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5h Ts 6c] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PGA71: shows [As Kh] (high card Ace)
Gunslinger3: shows [Tc Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
Gunslinger3 collected 48150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 48150 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 5h Ts 6c 8h]
Seat 1: tctct folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Jensen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TheTakeover folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: arzCARDZfan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BikeNotCar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Gunslinger3 showed [Tc Td] and won (48150) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: Carmel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PGA71 (small blind) showed [As Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: mm-nh (big blind) folded before Flop

Tyler Durden · #2 02-06-2005, 09:55 PM

Nothing else you could do man.

Shilly · #3 02-06-2005, 09:55 PM

I think this is mostly personal preference. If you're ruling out AA or KK, then you have to decide whether you want to put virtually all of your chips on a coinflip or in a dominating situation. Do you want to climb up the ladder and make as much money as you can, or do you want to win? Assuming you have the bankroll to play in a tournament like this, I'm calling (pushing) here.

woodguy · #4 02-06-2005, 11:32 PM

Almost the exact situation busted me in a super.

I was 4th in chips with 13 left and the PF raiser was 2nd in chips at the time, I ran into QQ.

I thought long and hard about that play, and given a chance I'd do it exactly the same.

Two days later I'm in a final table at a Stars $50 PLHE tourney and I do the same thing and end up against 99, spike my K and go on to win.

Winning that hand, and you do about 1/2 the time, leads to greater payouts due to stack implications.

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but winning this hand would have put me back to the top 10.

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Exactly.

And you would be one of 3 big stacks at the table which puts you in the driver seat.

Regards,
Woodguy

JGalt · #5 02-06-2005, 11:38 PM

Way to confusing with the chat.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t10637)
UTG+1 (t8895)
MP1 (t32140)
MP2 (t10585)
MP3 (t43445)
CO (t22725)
Button (t26626)
Hero (t24472)
BB (t7805)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to t22000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t24372, 1 fold, CO calls t625 (All-In).

Flop: (t47697) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t47697) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t47697) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t47697

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Kh (high card, ace).
CO has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO wins t45950. Hero wins t1747.

Absolution · #6 02-06-2005, 11:47 PM

1000/2000 blinds with 100 ante. Enough said.

Well played.

freehat · #7 02-07-2005, 12:19 AM

cmon easy call and you know this

Prime Time · #8 02-07-2005, 10:08 AM

Thanks for the comments.
I feel relieved reading the responses.
At the instant I took that hit, felt like I made a borderline bad call.
Reading your encouraging posts, wants to get myself right back in the saddle.
Of course the real money is at the final table, and to win you must be willing to die!
So I died.

I am surprised that no one said I should have picked a better spot.
Perhaps because of the large raise screaming (I do not want a call); coupled w/ the steal spot and me defending the SB changed every thing.

Again thanks.

Prime Time · #9 02-07-2005, 04:13 PM

AA KK is an easy call.
I was not so sure then that it was an easy call.
But I was thinking of pushing if the CO or Button raised.
That would have been an easier decision in my opinion.

Matt Finkelstein · #10 02-07-2005, 05:23 PM

You asked for it you got it:

you should have waited for a better spot.

I don't think this was the right situation to call an all in w/ AK (same stack size - raise too big to be a steal > 10 X BB, you are likely a slight dog) but I do see the arguments wither way. I know i'm pushing w 99-qq and 2-4 x raising w aa kk. So it was pretty safe to rule out the latter. If a coin flip is what you want, it's what you got.

My only criticism is that it's wishful thinking that the "steal position" was stealing by pushing with >10x bb.

Just mHO