AJs - Where should have I folded?

[bcunha]

No reads, first hand at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

[tiltaholic]

i'd just call the turn.
why raise?

[LoaferGee12]

agreed, no reason to fold anywhere here though.

[sin808]

I don't think you should fold this, but I don't like raising the turn. I'd probably call down after mp2 3 bets the flop, which may be weak. Against unknowns I'd rather see a showdown than pump TPGK on a semi-scary board.
Looks like SB has TT, AT or something similar.

[bigmac366]

the turn raise isnt as bad as it seems. hero picks up the nut flush draw on the turn which adds significant strength to his hand. i dont think i would personally raise it though. you cant fold this anywhere.

[bcunha]

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hero picks up the nut flush draw on the turn which adds significant strength to his hand.

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I raised because of this. I put too much value on it though.

[Catt]

I agree with the others - I wouldn't raise the turn, but I also don't think you can fold.

Was the turn raise an attempt to protect by driving out others? Cause MP1 is the only one you might drive out - sure looks like SB and MP2 are going to showdown. Or was it a perceived value bet? I don't think it's terrible, but you risk getting 3-bet which is what you don't want.

EDIT: cross-posted. It was a value bet. It's debateable, but I personally don't raise the turn beacuse of the 3-bet threat.

[bozlax]

I'd probably forgo the raise on the turn as you're probably not driving anybody out. Beyond that, the only hands you're afraid of are AA, AQ and KJ, and it's your first hand at a 1/2 table. Not out of the question that SB is just trying to establish some dominance by driving you out, and is actually holding A3s or some pile of crap, or possibly TX (he only called PF, no raise there). You can't fold this.

I think this is from SSH, or maybe WLLH, paraphrased: when sitting down at a low-limit table with players you aren't familiar with, assume the table is loose-agressive, until proven otherwise.

[sin808]

Did you want callers or folders when you raised?
If you were raising for value for your flush draw you have horrid position relative to the bettor.

You aren't likely to get a better hand to fold either and getting 3-bet here sucks.

The turn raise is the only thing I don't like.