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Old 01-15-2005, 12:55 AM
RED_RAIN RED_RAIN is offline
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Default Best play? AK against rag flop bet into by SB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Player is very loose so could play any hand. Is this where I should be raising the river?
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:23 AM
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Default Re: Best play? AK against rag flop bet into by SB

River incase he has trips, and river so he will keep bluffing worse hands.
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Best play? AK against rag flop bet into by SB

The turn because you said he's a loose player. Therefore, he'll call down anyway.
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Best play? AK against rag flop bet into by SB

He probably won't call the river bet when it's a pure bluff. But he might bet and then call with a high card.
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:32 AM
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Default Who raises the flop?

Just curious as well...

Who raises the flop (in an attempt to get a free card on the turn)?


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Old 01-15-2005, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Who raises the flop?

This isn't the time for a free card play. You have 6 outs and your main concern is whether the opponent has trips. You're not trying to draw out on him. Taking a free card HU will just make him bluff more on the river, and you want to avoid having to make the decision on the river if you don't hit.
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Old 01-15-2005, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: Who raises the flop?

Ya, that's what I thought. It would be hard to deal with a 3-bet too.

Plus, the chance of over-callers behind you buffers your losses when you're behind. Right?

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Old 01-15-2005, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: Who raises the flop?

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Plus, the chance of over-callers behind you buffers your losses when you're behind. Right?

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Right. Most opponents are calling one bet with overcards that you dominate. But they're only calling 2 cold with trips or a reverse dominating hand.
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Old 01-15-2005, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: Who raises the flop?

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Plus, the chance of over-callers behind you buffers your losses when you're behind. Right?

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Right. Most opponents are calling one bet with overcards that you dominate. But they're only calling 2 cold with trips or a reverse dominating hand.

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Ok, how does this play if you weren't bet into. I've always been told if you raise PF you have to bet out on the flop. Is this wrong?
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Old 01-15-2005, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: Who raises the flop?

Bet.

But the line of thinking, bet no matter the flop, or action after you PFR on the flop isn't correct. There are many flops that betting is pointless after a PFR.
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