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Old 01-14-2005, 04:23 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Misapplied concept? pt. 2

How about using the call down line until he checks and take over from there? Opponent was tighter than standard party player preflop.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero... can't see many hands he beats here

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
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Old 01-14-2005, 04:58 PM
tiltaholic tiltaholic is offline
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

i'm stumped.
i raise the flop and see what happens.
maybe fold the turn unimproved if he leads again.
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:02 PM
meep_42 meep_42 is offline
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

Call the flop, raise the turn, take the free showdown on the river overcard.

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Old 01-14-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

I maybe don't know what I'm talking about, but -- does anyone else raise the flop &amp; fold if bet into unimproved on the turn?

The river does look like a pretty easy fold.
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:09 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

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Call the flop, raise the turn, take the free showdown on the river overcard.


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i was about to hit the raise button on the turn but decided to call down. Fold safe to a trun 3-bet I guess?
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

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Call the flop, raise the turn, take the free showdown on the river overcard.

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My thoughts exactly.
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

this makes much more sense. i like this.
-t
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

your hand is a bit vulnerable if he has AK. if he doesn't, you are way behind. i wouldn't want this to go to the river.

i think i'd just raise the flop and fold to a 3-bet.. not sure about this. a flop call, turn raise may tell you too late that you are beat. mixing it up between the two is probably best..
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

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My thoughts exactly.

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I love this line if I'm capped preflop, though. And folding the river. Agree?

EDIT: But again no. if capped preflop i can arise the turn and fold safe to a 3-bet.
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Misapplied concept? pt. 2

Yeah. Villian's play in this hand doesn't add up. He will probably have a hand that you beat enough IMO. TT, 99 come to mind.

Brad
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