The perfect tactic for disarming Social Security defenders

[natedogg]

If you encounter someone espousing the SS status quo, just hit them with this question:

If congress passed a law allowing you to keep all of your ss contributions and invest it on your own tax-free like a 401K, would you choose to do so?

Or simply:

If Social Security is reformed will you opt for a private account or leave your money in the system?

So far, I've only gotten red-faced sputtering backpedals from SS status-quo supporters who are confronted with these questions. Go forth and change some minds, my friends. Armed with these question you can't fail to help them see the error of their ways.

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natedogg

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What about the $155,000 that I've already pumped into the system? Do I get a refund?

[MMMMMM]

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What about the $155,000 that I've already pumped into the system? Do I get a refund?

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Not you, as you would simply blow it all on Kool-Aid. Everybody else gets one though.

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In America we are free to drink as much Kool-Aid as we want.

[vulturesrow]

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What about the $155,000 that I've already pumped into the system? Do I get a refund?

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That might be a valid question if that money went into a trust fund solely for your retirement. Of course the system doesnt work that way, as Im sure you know.

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No, I think it is a perfectly valid question.

[Richard Tanner]

God Bless this country. Kool-Aid and Abortions for all. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Cody

[Richard Tanner]

That money is already spent, so you have two choices.
1) You can beat and rob the elderly until you recoup your losses OR
2) You can just treat that money as lost, grandfathered if you will, by an old, obsolete system.

Cody

[vulturesrow]

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No, I think it is a perfectly valid question.

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No because once that money disappears from your paycheck, it isnt yours anymore. You have no claim on it. That money is paying Grandma's SS benefits right now. Better hope Junior gets a good job when he grows up.

[ACPlayer]

If congress passed a law allowing you to keep all of your ss contributions and invest it on your own tax-free like a 401K, would you choose to do so?

While I enjoyed the repartee on the $155K (specially as 6M is allowing even me to get a refund [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]), the question is an interesting one.


The real question that the (true) reformers dont address is what is the safety net or even if society should offer a safety net for the person who gets hit on the NJ turnpike without health insurance, loses this money to stay alive and has nothing to move forward. What is the nature of this beast and how do you avoid the misuse of the same?

The biggest concern I have with the SS debate is that the question of whether we as a society should provide the safety net will be swept under the rug and defacto the safety net be removed and then a patch work and more expensive safety net is constructed reactively as the boomer age.

The second concern of course is whether the average population has the knowledge or ability to manage the money, and whether we will pay for the safety net for people who insist on blowing the now mandatory SS payments up their noses.