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Old 01-07-2005, 10:55 AM
Jackrabbit Slim Jackrabbit Slim is offline
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Default Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

This is a hand I played two days ago that really annoyed me afterwards since I feel I played really bad.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Too loose to call this hand from SB?

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Open ended straight draw here, I believe a call is correct. I don't particulary like the 2 clubs though.
Someone might be sitting on AQ here as well, but I don't really think so with no PF raise and no raise here.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Yay! Maybe 3-betting here would be much better?
I figure MP3 also has a queen and that we're heading for a split pot now.

River: (13.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Total disaster, paired board and the third club hits. Fold right away here?
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:05 AM
meanjean meanjean is offline
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Default Re: Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

yes, fold pre-flop
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:41 AM
zuluking zuluking is offline
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Default Re: Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

Fold pre-flop.
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:45 AM
Milky Milky is offline
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Default Re: Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

Fold pre-flop

3 bet the turn

River is rough and I don't think your hand is good. You're getting roughly over 7-1 odds call but is your hand good that many times? Reads on the villians involved would be nice.
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:50 AM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

Fold pre and you absolutely have to raise that turn! Yes you may be chopping with another player, but you did notice that you have two players essentially trapped?
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Old 01-07-2005, 11:51 AM
droolie droolie is offline
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Default Re: Horrible river card, how bad is my play?

Fold pre-flop. Don't complete with trash hands. They'll get you into trouble.

Three-bet the turn! Make BB and button pay you and MP3 while you can.

The river is a killer. I'd fold. The reason to call is on the slim hope that BB is overplaying his trip A's. Given the fact that BB raise the flop he's likely holding a flush or full house.
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