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Old 11-21-2004, 01:37 PM
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Default Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

Greektown 2-2-5

Quiet short stack ($200) limps in for 5, a few other limps, CO ($800) (loose, fairly passive chaldean calls), I ($660) complete on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds come along. The SB gets fidgity when he has a good hand, he keeps going back and forth with chips trying to figure out how much to put in, Chaldean guy will call with any 2, and I mean any 2, he played 42o a few hands ago because "everyone has the big cards, so the small cards will hit the board".

Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (~$30)

SB leads out for $20, CO makes it $60, I debate whether or not to come over the top, but the SB looks like he is ready to pop it/go to the felt with this hand. Not to mention that the CO would go to the felt with any piece of this board, top 2, bottom 2, flush draw etc. I wasn't really worried about the SB, he isn't pushing a flush draw here, and he didn't raise so I know he doesn't have a set, I put him on 2 pair. So I was thinking about waiting for a brick on the turn. Bad logic?

SB re-raises to 120 (basically all in), CO calls, I push, CO folds. good? bad? ugly? routine?
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Old 11-21-2004, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

Let me clarify, I wanted to wait till the turn since I was nervous that CO might be on a flush draw, so if it bricked, I could set him all in. I didn't care about the SB as he only had 200, but I was worried about the CO who had me covered. Bad reasoning?
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:08 PM
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Default Re: Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

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Let me clarify, I wanted to wait till the turn since I was nervous that CO might be on a flush draw, so if it bricked, I could set him all in.

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you should be more than happy to get a flush draw all in on the flop. the logic here is a bit fuzzy. basically you put one of them on a flush draw, but still decide to flat call?
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

It seems like you have to push here...let's count the cards that you don't want to see on the turn:
9 clubs
8 J/Q/K that aren't clubs
4 remaining non club T and A that will probably kill the action as well.

hmm...that adds up to 21 cards...practically half the deck. Yeah...push it in now.
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

I see what your saying, I was thinking more along the lines of CO would call an all in with a flush draw even if the turn bricked, and it'd be a much bigger mistake to do so then, so that's why I was thinking of waiting until the turn. From looking at the SB I kind of thought he was going to reraise. In reality, does it make much more sense for me to reraise the CO's raise to $60, and if so what's a good raise? Make it $120?
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:32 PM
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I thought he said he read the SB as ready to reraise.

If that was your reason for just calling then the flop play is perfect.

Am I the only one who raises this preflop every time? 4+ limpers and ATs on the button... yum yum.
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Old 11-21-2004, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: Flopping the nut straight and waiting to get it in on the turn, bad?

Seeing the turn is a tournament play.
Cash game, make draws pay.
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